Why do the TRAs hate mn?

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Who are these people and why are they hating on us? Can't they cancel the cheque already?

Why are these reasonable trans people speaking out in support of single sex spaces or a third space
If sexual difference were recognised and respected this battle would not exist

The passive comment was in response to Gender Critical women not having antagonised trans people. I do not think women should be passive: I am not passive.

I said 'Can you point to any occasion where a bunch of feminists has ever stopped a Trans group from meeting, or has infiltrated a Trans group, or insisted that Trans people only talk about women? Any feminists that have threatened a meeting with a bomb threat, have barricaded entrances in balaclavas to stop Trans groups meeting? Have threatened venues so that they cancel? Ever?

And you think putting stickers up is the same?

Srsly? Putting stickers up. Stickers.

Have stickers stopped Trans people from meeting up?
Have stickers stopped a meeting from going ahead?
Have stickers forced a venue to cancel meetings?
Have stickers stopped Trans people from speaking?
Have stickers put balaclavas on and physically intimidated and barred Trans people from entering a room?

The reason that the Razor lies were thrown about is that they know stickers don't do any of this.

All stickers do is get a message to people to read them. That is it.

The testeric rage induced by the stickers tho. Another level.

The main advocates and advisors to these orgs and the govt seem dodgy as all fuck tbh

Leading advocate for the legalisation of extreme porn
Someone who is in trouble for wanking their cock at bus stops
Various furries and adult babies
People who think sexual harrassment is sexy
People who think girl children are "kinky"
People who tell children that the clit and the penis are the same, the only difference is size, and most people lie somewhere in the middle (???)
People who state that those who prefer "intergenerational" sexual relationships are the most oppressed sexuality
And so on and so forth

Thing is most women and girls have very well honed "creepy fucker" radars and they have been going off full shout for ages

WHO is it pushing for access to where girls and women are naked / can't get away etc and WHY?

The transsexuals are getting totally shafted in all of this and they get told to STFU as well.

Ask yourself this:
If the trans poeple you know don;t want access to women only spaces
Then who is pushing those demands so hard, and why.

And why do the trans people you know not speak out against extremists and distance themselves? Miranda Yardley and Debbie Hayton have been passionately and tirelessly campaigning against self ID because of the harm they foresee to trans people.

I only know one trans woman (NOT TRA) and she IS vocal, and has completely distanced herself from the current TRA agenda. Nobody is listening to her either.

It may have drawn some people in but many more are put off.

Nope.

In one year access to this site via the feminist boards has increased 12 fold. From 15,000 in one month to 177,000 the same month a year later.

As for the stickers, no natal women do not have penises, but this statement of fact was targeted at trans people. It was not a passive act.

It was emphatically not targeted at transpeople. What on earth would be the point of that?

You seem to be under the impression that this is a playground slanging match.

It's not. It's a deadly serious, and democratically allowable attempt by women to get their voices heard about a proposed change in the law.

Women's rights are under direct threat. And they are trying to get the word out in order for people to have their say.

Without women having done this, the public consultation would never be happening.

When Maria Miller published her report on trans equality, not a single women's group were allowed to give spoken evidence. Not one.

The only part of your statement that is correct is you're damn right it's not a passive act.

How on earth are you supposed to alert people to a consultation 'passively'.

Yes. No one's listening, and many trans people with GC opinions are actually afraid to voice them.

It isn't GC women they're afraid of, and it isn't GC women who have names and threats ready for trans people who step out of line.

I hate to be blunt but where are all these young people who are killing themselves ?

What we do have is an epidemic of young girls self harming and proclaiming themselves to be young boys in order to avoid the absolute horror that is girlhood these days. The emotional distress of these youngsters leaves them nowhere to go but to consider cutting off their breasts and risking their ability to have children. They see that the MeToo movement hasn't achieved anything other than to humiliate some high profile men. What does life as adult womn have in store for them ? They have to be prepared to be photographed, commented on, ridiculed every time they leave their homes.

And we think that's okay ? Do you really think it's transphobic to centre these young women and ask them what the fuck is really going on that makes them reject their own worth ?

The answer is not to merrily tell them to create their narrative or to be whatever they want to be. The answer is to protect them, to cherish them and to give them space to have their questions answered. The answer is to provide them with proof from women that they are not abnormal, that we all feel inadequate and lost during puberty.

The answer cannot ever be to allow them to obliterate their futures as women when acceptance of womanhood is how they will find their way home.

As I've never been a boy, I can't comment on boys experience the world but I suspect that toxic masculinity is destroying more lives than any feminist movement has ever done.

It isn't GC women they're afraid of, and it isn't GC women who have names and threats ready for trans people who step out of line.

Absolutely agree with this.

Trans women and TRAs in my opinion are completely different.

In one year access to this site via the feminist boards has increased 12 fold. From 15,000 in one month to 177,000 the same month a year later.

That could be because they want to read what is being said as it has been reported in the newspaper. It doesn't mean that they like the site or continue to read threads on any board afterward.

We don't agree with them or obey them. This is an affront to the entitlement assumed by many who are biologically male.

DP and I were discussing toxic masculinity and the damage and oppression it has visited upon women, and in the context of male suicide rates, that it has also impacted on men.

Toxic masculinity is at the root of all the problems.

That could be because they want to read what is being said as it has been reported in the newspaper. It doesn't mean that they like the site or continue to read threads on any board afterward.

Nope again.
They have registered as members.

You don't have to do that just to read the site.

They are contributing.

It's the Streisand effect. The more you tell someone not to look somewhere, the more people are going to look.

And when they do they realise that this is not a hotbed of transphobic hate speech.

It's incredibly well-informed, rational women many of whom are mothers, wanting to protect the rights that their mothers and grandmothers fought for.

That's why trans demands activists hate it.

Men, historically, have not liked it when women get together and talk. Witches coverns, mothers meetings, gossips.

There are 12 million unique users on this site. That's an unprecedented level of women all talking together.

Comparing notes, giving advice, being a shoulder to cry on and an expert in their various fields.

Men who are campaigning against women are in a huge panic about this.

I'm not woke, but thanks. Come the apocalypse, can I borrow your tin hat?

There are loads of statistics, jfgi. But here is just one article: www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds

And when they do they realise that this is not a hotbed of transphobic hate speech.

That isn't my impression. From what my teenagers DDs say, it is considered full of transphobic hate speech.

Abrewfromabridge

Many youngsters have issues. Especially minorities like the disabled, those with special needs, and LGBT kids. This isn't new news.

Talking about suicide, especially as a one issue problem, is something that the Samaritans relentlessly counsel against doing. But that doesn't stop trans-activists doing it.

If children are suicidal because women's rights are being eroded, that's patently nonsense.

The Tavistock have confirmed that there has only been one child suicide in 10 years.

Using suicide as leverage is something that is propagated and advised online generally by adult, middle-aged transwomen.

Feminists are informed about this, you know.

From what my teenagers DDs say, it is considered full of transphobic hate speech.

Offer us some examples of what you yourself have seen and consider to be "hate speech" - because what the TRAs consider "hate speech" is saying you don't agree that a man can become a woman.

From what my teenagers DDs say, it is considered full of transphobic hate speech.

Oh well, that's me told then. I'll hang up my gloves.

Teenaged girls at present are being taught that 'women don't have penises', 'you cannot change sex', 'I'm not comfortable to get in this communal shower' and 'no' is transphobic hate speech.

Makes it even more important they see adult women modelling that it's not only possible, but necessary and responsible to speak the truth and stand up for women's rights.

Dungeondragon15

You say more people are getting turned off them joining, I show you that's not true. You say they're not really joining, I show you that's not true. So now you say well my daughters don't like it.

Not really an argument (in my opinion).

Those suicide statistics are dodgy as anything.

A high proportion of trans teens are also victims of sexual assault or have autism. They have mental health issues for a variety of reasons. They deserve a lot of support yes, but it isn't the case that trans individuals are killing themselves left right and centre at all.

A Stonewall report does not fill me with confidence.

Their findings were based on an online report by about 3,000 children. That in itself suggests a degree of self selection.

And there is no consultation with the NHS, schools, self harm support groups. Again, if our children were attempting suicide on the scale Stonwall claims, there would be evidence.

What we do have evidence of is that children are being prescribed more anti depressants than ever before, that young girls are self harming and self poisoning in increasing numbers - all based on actual clinical evidence . Don't you think it's possible that these girls are looking to transition as a form of self harm as they no longer have the resources or resilience to deal with a reality very much lived online ?

From what my teenagers DDs say, it is considered full of transphobic hate speech.

Your dd's could benefit from hanging out here and reading what is actually being written. Anything transphobic gets deleted, they'll be very pleased to hear.

Interesting article here:

www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

Because MN allows free speech and there's precious few others allowing it.

Thank you, MN