Why do the TRAs hate mn?

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Who are these people and why are they hating on us? Can't they cancel the cheque already?

'Distressed teenagers read every word you say here, so you should shut up because of the children'.

Yes. It's totally plausible that teenagers would read the FWR boards on MN rather than access other forms of social media.

Totally plausible.

The mention of teenagers with the exact same point (that posters here should consider before posting on this subject as it upsets vulnerable people) was made yesterday on a thread by someone who said they dealt with the fall out of trans teenagers bingeing on MN as part of self harming. I'm sure they were genuine, but I mentioned it as I've become a bit cynical over time about themes that are picked up on and start being frequently repeated in a fresh attempt to stop women talking. Guilt and worry about upsetting others often works quite well on women.

Many people find the preppers board scary and upsetting, but don't expect others to silence themselves from talking about politics or risks to protect them.

"spew hate"

Do you think anyone has "spewed hate" on this thread?

Men who identify as lesbians put relentless pressure on these young women. In university LGBT socs an accusation of transphobia can be social death, which means a lesbian rejecting advances from someone with a penis is a very brave and risky thing to do

How can nobody in a position to change legislation see what is blatantly obvious?

I confess, when I was at university it was the LGB society (my best mate was treasurer), so none of the current issues were around. There were, however, more than a few trans people at uni, none of whom made half the noise the TRAs are making.

IMO the TRAs are as damaging to trans people as they are to women.

I also firmly believe (personal opinion not a statement of fact before I get banned) that TRAs and trans people are two completely separate things. One is pernicious, the other is not.

Only when society sees the difference will we be heard.

For whatever reason it’s seen as acceptable to spread hate and utter slurs about trans people MEN, in the same way it used to be about homosexuals or ethnic minorities. One day it won’t be though.

Erm, please tell me where those posts are, so I can also report them? MN do delete actual transphobia, and generally very quickly, as they should. Issue is, some are so sensitive that even the slightest bit of criticism of transgender ideology is 'transphobic' and 'hatefilled' and so on. Which is ridiculous. Infact, looking out for women and girls is massively bigoted and should not be tolerated at all. As is discussing female biology.

Do I support trans rights? Absolutely. No one should be denied a home, lose their job or be abused or assaulted because they are trans, but that isn't what TRAs are looking for. They don't just want their own pie. They want to take most of mine too and expect me be grateful for the few scraps they leave me with. And they want to invite everyone else along to steal my scraps if they feel like it, while ignoring their own table overflowing with food.

Well said, and I agree with the rest of your posts on this thread too. TRAs are against people with dysphoria, they do not give a shiny shit about them and actively throw them under the bus in their MRA quest. Its certainly not GC feminists who call transsexual people truscum.

Any trans person who does not want to shit all over women is branded with that. And honestly, I only know 3 trans people (though, everyone I know is 'non-binary' as I suspect all people in the world are..using trans to mean transsexual here though)and all of them are against TRAs and their behaviour. I genuinely do not understand how ANYONE (b esides other MRAs) can support them.

'Distressed teenagers read every word you say here, so you should shut up because of the children'.

Very emotionally manipulative this is mind. This..'teenagers are suicidal because of YOU!!!' stuff. Does seem to be the new plan of attack..though as usual I am sure some people are coming at it from a genuine caring kind of way, but not actually thinking about what they are saying. Whats being said is that women should STFU about their rights being trampled as some teenagers might read us being concerned about our rights and kill themselves. Lovely.

All this stuff about how those who stand up for women's rights in the trans debate are spewing hate, blah, blah, blah, just reminds me of what women in the second wave were told when we campaigned for decent health care, for proper laws about domestic violence and rape and for equal opportunities with men in the public sphere. We were told we were a fringe group, mad and, in particular 'hated men'. It really is the same old. Unless women bow down and bend over for men we 'hate' them. Never mind the violence done to women by men.

We were told we were a fringe group, mad and, in particular 'hated men'. It really is the same old. Unless women bow down and bend over for men we 'hate' them.

Yup. Same shit different year.

MRAs really have hit the goldmine with this approach though. Luckily, it seems enough people are waking up to stop this ridiculous self ID thing in its tracks (which is when they will think up a new approach to remove the rights of female people) but so much damage has already been done :(

'Distressed teenagers read every word you say here, so you should shut up because of the children'.

The tactic used by abusers around the world: look what you made me do. It's your fault. Shut up and be obedient and don't make me angry and don't make a fuss.

Apologies for being slightly off topic, but there was a very interesting interview with Rupert Everett recently in which he said that as a young boy he hated being male, and if someone had offered him the trans surgery he would have bitten their hand off. Now however, he loves being a gay man and recognises how he could have easily made a massive mistake...
This worries me a lot.

I doubt think that many teenagers read the words and feel suicidal. More likely, they just think that the site is populated by transphobic and homophobic bigots. That is certainly what my DD (who is lesbian btw) and many of her friends think.

The argument that people are not transphobic and only concerned about women and girls rights is totally laughable considering the amount of bile and hate on this thread.

considering the amount of bile and hate on this thread

Could you give some examples of the 'bile and hate on this thread' please?

Yee, please provide examples, Dungeondragon15.

Sigh. I'm a lesbian. One of my biggest issues with trans ideology is that it is profoundly homophobic.

Hate/bile/transphobia -= asking questions, raising issues, thinking for oneself. I don't agree those things are ethically wrong, I believe they are ethically crucial to do.

This is the problem when people start messing with the semantic content of words in order to create advantage to their political agenda; all shared meaning is lost, which is the whole purpose of language.

That is certainly what my DD (who is lesbian btw) and many of her friends think.

Have your daughter and her friends actually read what is said on the boards here? Engaged with it? Put forward a coherent argument as to why they disagree which they are able to back up when countered?

Or have they just seen on Twitter that MN is a 'radicalisation portal' or similar bollocks?

I dont think dungeon provides evidence

Ive certainly never seen her to it

And in all honesty i would report something transphobic...and have on occasion

Have your daughter and her friends actually read what is said on the boards here? Engaged with it? Put forward a coherent argument as to why they disagree which they are able to back up when countered?

Some have read but I don't think they would want to waste their time engaging. They would think your views fairly irrelevant.

I thought i was going to have to apologise then

But nope

Having said that dungeon i do see your point with the quote youve just posted

But as you say its not transphobic in and of itself but could very well be misunderstood and taken for it

But pretty much anything can taken out of context

So you reported that post and it’s been deleted, yes? Because MN delete posts that break talk guidelines, whatever the subject.

And they think our views irrelevant? So in fact what’s posted on MN is neither here nor there to them. So what’s the problem?

happily sold women and children, especially girls, to a culture of sexual deviance

Do you honestly not know that the Stonewall definition of trans includes cross dressers and autogynephilic men? And gives them equal right to access to women and children as is being sought for people with gender dysphoria?

Do you honestly not know about Karen White, Jess Bradley and Aimee Whatzit from the Green Party?

Some have read but I don't think they would want to waste their time engaging. They would think your views fairly irrelevant.

Meh, I would probably think the same about their views.

pretty much anything can taken out of context

And very frequently is, in screenshots on Twitter going oooh look how evil MNetters are. I've seen at least two screenshots of posts - ridiculous posts - written on MN threads by TRAs who then put it up on Twitter and pretended a MNetter had said it.

No. Not going to run around worrying every time I post whether I've explained it clearly and thoroughly enough not to offend someone who isn't interested in the subject or the conversation or MN, and is just zooming through looking for something to be offended about.