Why do the TRAs hate mn?

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Who are these people and why are they hating on us? Can't they cancel the cheque already?

just telling somebody who already hates their self how wrong they are only makes things worse

Nobody’s saying they’re wrong. We’re saying that just deciding to wipe out safe spaces for women and girls is not ok. That it shouldn’t be arbitrary and that the high profile examples are very much using male privelege to silence women who have genuine concerns.

Probably, because like a lot of people, they don't like a good healthy dose of reality.
They need to accept that only a small amount of people actually believe they've turned into the opposite sex. Everything else is just going on courtesy.

Well there was a pride march where radical feminists marched in front of the official parade in order to protest trans rights.

Were they protesting against trans rights? Or were they protesting in favour of women's rights or more importantly, a womens right to say no?

There were the anti trans sticker campaigns in Liverpool.

You mean the ones that stated the fact that women don't have penises? Because if so, facts aren't bigoted mate

Well there was a pride march where radical feminists marched in front of the official parade in order to protest trans rights.

You mean the lesbians who are tired of being told that they are bigots because they don’t want to have sex with a transwoman with a penis? Do you think that lesbians should be made to accept dick?

I was bullied and harassed off Twatter by TRAs. They were abusive and nasty.

like being gay that identifying as trans is not really a choice, it is just how you are - just telling somebody who already hates their self how wrong they are only makes things worse.but encouraging yp usually boys that can be somthing they never can is not healthy then egging them on to chop up their bodies will usually lead to a unfulfilled sex life not to mention having to mention this at every sexual and romantic encounter leading to stright men not wanting to date you because their not gay women not wanting to date you because they like men and trans people not wanting to date you because they want a stright man or women dating nomad

"Anti trans" stickers - they said that woman don't have penises.

I suppose school biology textbooks are also "anti trans".

See, I don't think they (or most of them) actually do want all that.

Jenner doesn't want all that. Most of them want an imaginary version.

Good point, well taken.

If somebody hates their body then why is it more acceptable to agree with them that their body is wrong and needs to be altered than it is to say no you're body is fine and you need to learn to accept it the way it is?

WTF is it okay to tell young people with gender dysphoria that there is something seriously wrong with their bodies and not okay to say no you're body is fine, it's society that is wrong?

The world truly has gone bonkers.

*your

Why do TRAs hate MN?

Because they are males used to getting their own way.

"Well there was a pride march where radical feminists marched in front of the official parade in order to protest trans rights."

Lesbians.
The word you are looking for is lesbians.
Those pesky fucking women who won't worship the mighty cock with their mouths and cunts and anuses no matter how often they are told to.

Those people.

Even more hated than women who say no are the subgroup lesbians who say no.

MRAs hated MN way before the TRA came along.

Not much difference between the 2 groups that I have seen.

Because we haven’t drunk the Kool Aid.

Collaborate it has nothing to do with that. It’s because some women and girls don’t feel comfortable gettting undressed in front of, sharing a bedroom with, sharing a bathroom with, being examined intimately or questioned about the sexual assault they have suffered people with penises. It has nothing to do with transwomen (transmen) and everything to do with the valid feelings and rights of those people who don’t feel comfortable in those scenarios but who are being silenced because apparently people don’t have equal rights to feel comfortable and safe when one of those people is a transwoman and the other is “just” a woman.

Obviously not, as far as the lesbian women at pride go, you should have sex with people you choose, based upon good informed consent. I'm a gay woman who is not generally attracted to butch or more masculine women and have been called homophobic for this. I do not protest butch lesbian women's right to exist, though - as well ironically that would be homophobic. Equally the "secret penis" narrative is a long standing trope of transphobia, just watch the Simpsons...

As for the stickers, no natal women do not have penises, but this statement of fact was targeted at trans people. It was not a passive act.

As I said I don't agree with TRAs and much of the extreme agenda but I do believe in trans rights. To me, this should be through accessible spaces and there should still be natal women only spaces. The GRA is still under review and protections for those spaces may be maintained in the new act.

I used to work with young people who experienced gender dysphoria and some of whom identified as NGB or trans. They had a saying when they were feeling particularly low, had self harmed or attempted suicide: "I spent the night looking at Mumsnet." Everything you write is read by vulnerable teens, which is part of the reason TRAs oppose some people on MN.

Then they shouldn't be forced to read Mumsnet - who is making them do that? Seriously though that is a shame and they should see quite clearly that we have no problem with young trans people. What we do have a problem with is Trans Rights Activists who are vile to women and frankly, we should be able to name the problem of women being overlooked as we relentlessly plough on towards a law very few women actually want. Is it really so terrible to point out that young girls have a right to privacy and dignity and why can't they see that too? We should also be able to state that our oppression stems from our biology and this is what makes us different to men because it is a fact. We cannot be held responsible for people reading things on the internet. Trust me there are far, far worse sites and opinions out there on trans matters, on racism and especially misogyny. Tell them the internet can be a mean place for all of us (especially females) if you are feeling down the internet in general is not the place for you. I too have to switch it off.

This just makes me feel like women should be responsible for the feelings of all again, we should be the ones to stop having opinions because someone might not like them. Women are not responsible for every other person in the world (despite being held responsible for that for bloody years - check history). And the truth is it does tug the heartstrings because it is children and we wouldn't want to hurt them but we have to be able to talk about issues that affect us too and THAT is what we are doing.

Obviously not, as far as the lesbian women at pride go, you should have sex with people you choose, based upon good informed consent

To me, this should be through accessible spaces and there should still be natal women only spaces.

You do realise that these two opinions make you a bigoted transphobic TERF, right*? Welcome to the club

*Obviously I don't think that but that is what TRA's who are pushing the current native would say.

Because many of the trans threads seem transphobic would be my guess.

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that there is always a current thread here that simply assumes that all trans women are a threat to women.

Bollocks

*narrative.

It is up to you what you post anonymously on the internet. It is up to you whether you read and internalise the comments. However, threads like this are adversarial and polemic - no wonder TRAs take umbrage...

I am with you on this - some threads are divisive but I think that is borne of utter frustration in the main.

s I said I don't agree with TRAs and much of the extreme agenda but I do believe in trans rights. To me, this should be through accessible spaces and there should still be natal women only spaces. The GRA is still under review and protections for those spaces may be maintained in the new act.

This. But I do fear that is MN and others weren’t making so much noise and arguing that actually women (the ones with vaginas) have rights and shouldn’t be pushed aside, none f those spaces would be maintained. As it is, I suspect they’ll be an optional afterthought, so instead of rights for all, the rights of some will truly have been provided at the expense of the rights of others.

"I do not protest butch lesbian women's right to exist"

Some trans people do though - multiple butch lesbians through history being reimagined as transmen.

I do not protest butch lesbian women's right to exist, though - as well ironically that would be homophobic.

Uh, what makes you think that we're against trans rights and deny their right to exist? Newsflash: we aren't and we don't.

To quote a transsexual poster here; transwomen deserve rights but they need rights which are specific to their needs. They need different rights and protections to that of women because we are different and there is nothing wrong with that.

However I'm glad you agree that people should have the right to choose who they have sex with and shouldn't feel bullied or pressured into having sex with someone they don't want. It looks like you agree with what those lesbians were protesting at pride after all.

They hate mn because they think that all the threads are like this one. It's not just TRAs though it is anyone who is transgender, and a large proportion of the younger generation full stop. The antitransgender threads have given mn a bad reputation.