Why do the TRAs hate mn?

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Who are these people and why are they hating on us? Can't they cancel the cheque already?

Anything transphobic gets deleted, they'll be very pleased to hear.

Whereas on Twatter, the TRAs, Incels, MRAs etc can post as much anti-woman, misogynist hate as they like.

Most trans people I have met don't want access to natal women only spaces they just want recognition and a space of their own and most women are comfortable with this.

If this was what TRAs were fighting for, I am sure feminists would be right beside them. As it happens, TRAs are trying to shit all over women, and shit all over transsexuals too.

This is because TRAs are actually just woke MRAs. They want exactly the same things and behave in the same way. Think there is a bit crossover with incels too tbh.

TRAs hate MN as we see them for what they are. Where until very recently, they were getting their own way. Which is fucking terrifiying.

Transatlantic Railways Association?

Seriously, what percentage of people are TRAs? Aren't they a small minority? If so - the fact is most of us are definitely male or female. Yes we should be sensitive to anyone who doesn't fit easily into either category but it appears to be almost fashionable now to to have some sort of gender issue and that cannot be healthy.

I genuinely wish people cared about rape and abuse victims with PTSD, like they care about people with dysphoria.
Imagine if the 1 in 4 rape victims of the UK had safe spaces, specialist doctors and centres and support available to them. Imagine the law changing so that prosecutions went up from the paltry 6% it is now.
I just think that self ID is going to mean more women raped. More victims with incurable mental health issues. The world a more dangerous place for women and a playground for predators to abuse self IDin every aspect of women's lives.

Seriously, what percentage of people are TRAs? Aren't they a small minority?
Percentage may be small, however, very aggressive, very well financed, thus extremely influential. They push their garbage through universities and major political parties. Think about it. Just a couple of years ago, there were only girls&boys, and there was no issue. Now schools are tearing down toilets to make them gender-neutral to appease the queer brigade.

TRAs also have seemingly sufficient influence to force many large organisations to implement 'trans friendly' policies that make no sense to the general population.

Male prisoners can 'identify as female' and be transferred to women's prisons. Of course no-one is assuming that all trans women are a danger to actual women, but it seems highly convenient to high profile sex offenders like Ian Huntley that they are able to take advantages of such policies to state 'I am now a woman', be transferred to women's prisons, to be housed in close contact with dozens of women. At least one trans woman prisoner has been sent back to a male prison after raping female inmates.

Maternity services advised to refer to 'pregnant people' not pregnant women, because one shouldn't assume that the service user in front of you is a woman simply because they are pregnant.

Organisations such as girl guiding allowing boys identifying as girls to camp in the same tent as girls and shower with them. If any girls or their parents don't like this, they are accused of transphobia if they question it.

A man in a dress is not a woman, he is a man in a dress. Dress, behaviours and 'feelings' do not make a person a man or a woman, their sex does.

If the TRAs want to campaign for something, they should campaign for men to be able to wear dresses, make up and undertake whatever typically female pursuits they feel excluded from due to societal stereotyping that men don't do these things. Because to be fair, that is an issue.

No-one bats an eyelid when a woman wears jeans, doesn't wear make up, becomes an engineer, fire fighter, soldier or any other profession that is male dominated. No-one says that woman must be a man, because they can't be a woman, because that involves dresses, heels, make up and fluffy things.

So why would a man who likes things that are stereotypically female be a woman? Certain spaces like changing rooms, communal sleeping facilities, prisons, refuges need to be segregated by sex to protect weaker, more vulnerable members of society, ie those with the chromosomes and body make up that makes them that way, on average, ie women, as defined by their sex, not this gender concept, which is used in ridiculous ways these days.

Probably because of the amount of people on here who are hideously transphobic. For whatever reason it’s seen as acceptable to spread hate and utter slurs about trans people, in the same way it used to be about homosexuals or ethnic minorities. One day it won’t be though.

Yes women, back in your box.

Polly wants a cracker.

I think the feeling is entirely mutual. I hate the stance that a lot of people on MN have taken against transgender people and on a personal note I've seen the effect anti-trains sentiment such as the stuff that is posted on here has on a family member, but I love it for other things and continue to use it and tend to ignore most of the transgender threads.

Anti-trans, not anti-trains. Although there's a fair bit of that here too!

This whole issue is blowing my brain. Why aren't women being allowed to talk about their concerns and fears?
Because its all about men. Sexism, sex based oppression and discrimination does not exist - because sex isn't real. And it all can be blamed on women, because they are being "transphobic" if they address anything feminine.
Also not how transmen are an afterthought.

" For whatever reason it’s seen as acceptable to spread hate and utter slurs about trans people, in the same way it used to be about homosexuals or ethnic minorities. One day it won’t be though."

Have you got a timeline on the Gulag being ready then?

That needs a rewrite:

" For whatever reason it’s seen as acceptable to spread hate and utter slurs about trans people MEN, in the same way it used to be about homosexuals or ethnic minorities. One day it won’t be though."

Have you got a timeline on the Gulag being ready then?

Women saying NO to men definitely means we deserve to be taken to our families and sent to a death camp.

Or raped to death
Or burned to death
Or beaten to death with a baseball bat
Or have our daughters raped and murdered

& etc and so on

Yep lovely women, no men to see here at all.

I think it's really disingenuous to claim that nothing posted here could impact a vulnerable person struggling with their body/gender.

I've seen whole threads dedicated to:

• how posters hate anyone who they id as men wearing female clothes as that immediately pings as 'predator'.

• how anyone who still has a penis is a man and a threat and only surgery makes you anything other than a danger to women.

• how people shouldn't be allowed to have mutilate their bodies and have surgery (often on the same page as posts about how retaining a penis means you're a threat to women and shouldn't be allowed in female space).

how late transitioners are all atogy-* and as such just disgusting perverts (those exact words).

• how early transitioning shouldn't be allowed as it's probably just a teenage phase.

• how 'real' women always recognize trans women and don't like having them around.

• how any woman who isn't GC is a 'handmaid', 'a traitor to her own sex', 'deserves everything that is coming to her', 'a weak willed man pleaser', 'too stupid to recognize what is happening to her' and a lot of other insults.

• how young trans people need to be told that if they transition they'll never have a partner/never have kids/always be alone.

You create a world which really offers no positive options for young people with gender dysphoria, and reinforces all their internal fears about being mad and deviant. And yeah, I've seen posters say "but I do want to support trans people" but that's a disclaimer about as convincing as 'I have black friends' on the Stormfront website. It doesn't sound remotely convincing.

You are absolutely entitled to ignore this and say that you get your safer space as well and that's fair - god knows a lot of other spaces aren't GC friendly - but it seems a bit daft to pretend that there is no reason why anyone could possibly respond to all the stuff you post here. There are loads of reasons. I just wish posters here would own that shit.

@Collaborate

Perhaps they are exasperated that you don't appear to consider that the problem seems to be with, taking the example of the recent case of the prisoner, the decision taken to accept him at his word that he wanted to be treated as a woman, rather than critically analyse his request and refuse it.

I thought that's what the TRAs don't want though. Don't they want us all to accept that anyone who says they're a woman (or a man) is a woman (or a man) and to question it in anyway is transphobic?

I've seen the effect anti-trans sentiment such as the stuff that is posted on here has on a family member

Wut?

What about the effect of women being locked into prisons with rapists?

Ya think that has an effect? Ya think the feelings of the family member are more important than the actual lived reality of the women locked up and/or sexually assaulted?

Really? Wow.

I think the whole argument would be made better if people stopped the mass-genarilsation.

"Women/men/transgender/MN think...."
No they don't.

"SOME women /men/transgender people/of MN think..." is more accurate.

I'm pro transgender rights but still an active member of MN for example.

The Gulag reference is particularly vile. Those people are apologists for Stalinism.

I'm pro transgender rights but still an active member of MN for example

That is great, that you are pro trans gender rights.

What rights do trans gender people need that they currently don't already have?

Schrodinger I don't understand why you have a problem with my statement. Yes I have a young transgender member of the family whose mental health is affected by things similar to what has been written on here. There have been suicide attempts. I also appreciate that there are problems on the other side, one does not cancel out the other.

“I'm pro transgender rights”

So am I. What rights do you think trans people don’t have that they should?