Why do the TRAs hate mn?

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Who are these people and why are they hating on us? Can't they cancel the cheque already?

Perhaps everyone on MN should simply identify as men? They may leave us alone then?

Because we are like are Senator Warren:

“She had appeared to violate the rule. She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted.”

We won't say that a lie is the truth just because some people desperately wish it to be the truth.

Because they are silly boys and their dozy female familiars.

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that there is always a current thread here that simply assumes that all trans women are a threat to women. Many of you feel that the small minority of men who pretend they want to be a woman simply to gain access to women means that all trans women should be denied access to women toilets, changing rooms etc. Perhaps they are exasperated that you don't appear to consider that the problem seems to be with, taking the example of the recent case of the prisoner, the decision taken to accept him at his word that he wanted to be treated as a woman, rather than critically analyse his request and refuse it.

At a guess, because TRAs are carrying male privilege further than ever before, and attempting with a scary degree of success to simultaneously silence women, deny biology and history, and claim 'protected class' status while chipping away at women's hard-won rights...? Am I in the right ballpark?

Abrewfromabridge - it's incredibly sad if teenagers read MN and feel worse. It makes me pretty damn depressed and angry at times, too, though probably for different reasons.

I've rarely seen anything actually untrue posted on here, though, so is the problem that gender-confused teenagers struggle with reading and acknowledging the facts about their male/female bodies?

There has to be a better answer to this than trying to get the world to nod along to the idea that gender matters, but sex doesn't. It's so obviously upsidedown, and I know bugger all about feminist theory, patriarchal social constructs or anything of that ilk.

When they look at threads like this on Mumsnet they don't read the positive stuff. They read the ignorant BS and use it to fuel their own internalised shame, feelings of worthlessness and to feel even more trapped in bodies they despise. But hey how, one person's cure is another person's poison, I guess.

Tbh, threads like this make me hate MN. Thankfully they do not reflect everybody who uses the site.

No they get their 'truth' from social media.

Have you seen some of the 'you won't be happy and be fabulous until you trans' posts and the visuals? And my God the drawings of weeping manga girls dreaming of becoming a barrel chested studs or self harming to 'be happy' is appalling.

Its not MN you should hate
Its the TRAs who actively campaign to stop research
Who wouldn't want research into a disorder. Who wouldn't want a person to be happy in their body and not suffer a lifetime of surgery and hormones which lead to a loss of sexual development and infertility

So how do you support depressed teens who insist on going back again and again to an internet forum that makes them feel even more depressed?

Do you advise them not to? Do you help them to understand how someone having different beliefs from them isn’t a threat?

Or do you do your and agree with them about how awful MN is, while continuing to visit the site yourself?

Oh, how awful. I would hate to think someone reads mn and feels that way. I don't particularly care how anyone identifies as long as they're happy in themselves and no one's getting hurt.

I would hate to think that any depressed teenager would be upset by the opinions of anonymous people in an internet forum.

If I was the one supporting them, I would helping them to develop strategies to increase their resilience and sense of self-worth, while encouraging them not to carry in exposing themselves to the very thing that makes them more depressed.

InezGraves more than in the right ball park!

Tbh, threads like this make me hate MN. Thankfully they do not reflect everybody who uses the site.

Interesting.

Can you point to any occasion where a bunch of feminists has ever stopped a Trans group from meeting, or has infiltrated a Trans group, or insisted that Trans people only talk about women? Any feminists that have threatened a meeting with a bomb threat, have barricaded entrances in balaclavas to stop Trans groups meeting? Have threatened venues so that they cancel? Ever?

You know, all the things that TRAs have PERSONALLY done to feminists?

If TRAs genuinely thought Trans women were women, they would let women talk.

But the only women NOT allowed to talk are the cunty types.

If you can't see that means they DON'T think Trans women are women, then I can't really help you much.

Because feminists, traditionalists and women who fall somewhere in between are most inconvenient in their wish to see women and children protected.

Most teens are 'depressed' - well actually mopey and insecure.

I wish people won't use the term when it doesn't actally mean depression (the black hole that you can't ever see yourself crawling out of).

Because they hate women.

And again, why does the mental health of those who are upset at draft excluders' posts win the mh top trumps. Reading posts like yours affect my mental health, reading posts like yours has led to self harm and suicidal thoughts.

Why should these imaginary people, who are only ever reported second hand btw, take priority over my mh? Are you going to stop posting because your posts upset some people?

Who are these people and why are they hating on us?

Because we are what they want to be but will never be: women. Females. Girls. Vagina-havers. Able to get pregnant and give birth.

Because white men always Gotton their way over time

It means the cure for gender dysphoria is cheap and easy. Just stop reading MN

Good point.

Because we are what they want to be but will never be: women. Females. Girls. Vagina-havers. Able to get pregnant and give birth.

See, I don't think they (or most of them) actually do want all that.

Jenner doesn't want all that. Most of them want an imaginary version.

The ones claiming they want periods would give it up in a day if you could wave a magic wand and make it happen for them.

ok, please could you point to specific posts and threads that have led to transchildren becoming very upset so we can see how to avoid such problems. Whilst you should not identify the specific child, I would like some quote form the child to indicate what exactly they understood and why it upset them

In return, I will say that anything that suggests there is a female brain really upsets me. Anything that suggests I am a man because I don't wear dresses and make up upsets me also.

Well there was a pride march where radical feminists marched in front of the official parade in order to protest trans rights. There were the anti trans sticker campaigns in Liverpool. I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a TRA but I'm not sure it is all one sided.

Yes, I just sighed. My boss was happy with this and we all went home smiling. My role was as you suggested to encourage YP to gain resilience, increase self esteem and to help them understand their identity. I would never advocate for transition and do not believe you can simply change sex to be happy. However, gender is more than simply a construct, it is how we are read by society and you only need to look at survivor narratives of political conflicts to see how often dehumanising and denying gender identity go hand in hand (eg: if this is a Man by Primo Levi). I also believe (and this changed through working with Trans YP) like being gay that identifying as trans is not really a choice, it is just how you are - just telling somebody who already hates their self how wrong they are only makes things worse.

It is up to you what you post anonymously on the internet. It is up to you whether you read and internalise the comments. However, threads like this are adversarial and polemic - no wonder TRAs take umbrage...