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To be still beating myself up for having an epidural

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Molldoll831 · 10/09/2018 20:47

Can anyone relate to this? I'm really struggling with the fact that I asked for an epidural during the birth of my little boy, who was born 4 months ago. His older brother came along 3 years ago and for his birth, I was determined to have as natural a birth as possible - I had these visions of what it would be like and of course they all went out the window when my waters broke but contractions didn't start, cue being induced with the oxytocin drip 20 hours later, contractions from hell and me begging for the epidural several hours later. I tore horrendously and his heart rate dropped, I had a postpartum hemorrhage...all in all it was pretty horrific. It took me a long time to process and get over it, and when I fell pregnant this time around I really wanted things to be different. I desperately wanted to have more control over the birth (though I know that's often not possible!) and to go as far as I could without pain relief (bar gas and air) since I never experienced 'normal' contractions the last time. I just really wanted to feel the pushing and feel the baby coming out. This time around, I had to be induced again (unexplained bleeding at 39 weeks and doc wanted baby out) and within minutes contractions started. I LOST IT. I didn't realise how much emotion I was still carrying from the previous birth and I had a complete meltdown, couldn't stop crying and kept having flashbacks of the last time. I ended up again begging for the epidural - the midwife knew I hadn't wanted one and tried to talk me out of it but I was too far gone and was adamant I needed it. So in it went and within 20 mins, baby was born. But I can't get over the guilt/anger at myself for losing control and not being about to get through it....if I'd known the labour was going to be so quick I keep thinking I could have done it. I somehow feel I had 'less' of a birth than my friends who had these lovely natural ones...I live in Ireland which has a 40% epidural rate but it doesn't make me feel any better!
I guess I'm just wondering can anyone relate to this or what your thoughts are on your own epidural, maybe you're glad you got it and can kick me up the bum!

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FartnissEverbeans · 11/09/2018 01:05

I missed my chance for an epidural.

They would still have given it to me if I had said yes, even though I was 9cm (private hospital, not in the UK). The anaesthetist arrived with all the tools and equipment and stood next to my bed. DH reminded me that baby had already had heart decelerations, and that the nurse clearly thought it was a bad idea. I told the anaesthetist to leave and just wailed in despair because I knew there was nothing they could do now to stop the pain, and that it would only get worse.

It got significantly worse, to the point where I had no space between contractions at all. DS got stuck. It was awful.

Next time I will be getting an epidural as soon as I arrive at the hospital and I don’t see why I would have any shame about that.

You’ve had awful experiences OP. I think you’re very brave. Only women would say “I had a horrible time, with the most agonising pain... I just wish I’d endured more.”

powershowerforanhour · 11/09/2018 01:07

I didn't really have a birth plan, bar "both still alive at the end". I thought I'd just get going and see what happened.
I had gas and air which was nice; I remembered it from the dentist as a child.
Then when things got tougher I had remifentanyl. It is wonderful stuff and made the pain magically go away. Opioids-fab.
Then, when the baby wasn't sitting right I needed an EMCS.
They did an epidural first but they needed to give me IV Valium to stop the muscle spasms I was having, so they could give the epidural safely. Valium is a really decent skeletal muscle relaxant and it did its thing immediately. I had tried hard at the behest of the midwives to will my muscles to stop shaking but could not; Valium sorted it. Benzodiazepines- amazeballs. I got the epidural and felt (or remember anyway- thanks Valium) zero pain thereafter. I assume I got local anaesthetic for the surgery, can't remember.
I am alive and my lovely daughter is alive, which we wouldn't have been, 100 years ago. That just blows my mind.
Modern drugs, surgical techniques and asepsis, properly trained doctors, nurses and midwives= fucking awesome and probably one of the greatest triumphs in the whole history of human endeavour IMO.

Words cannot express how much of a toss I do not give that I didn't have a natural birth. I'm a farmer's daughter and a vet and have delivered loads of lambs, calves, puppies and quite a few kittens. I don't think any of their mothers gave a toss either.

I am also in Ireland and am often a bit shook by calculating the dates on the headstones of young women in the old bits of the graveyards you get dotted around the place here. I often wonder, did she die in agony of septic peritonitis with a dead baby inside her? Like I would have done. Or reading about the histories of the the big houses: "The formal gardens were planted by Lordy Blah's second wife, his first having died in childbirth at the age of 24". It didn't matter how rich you were.
Any time my husband starts romanticising about how great it would have been to have lived in the preindustrial times of the historical novels he is so fond of I reply, "No it fucking wouldn't. I would be dead, your daughter would be dead and in fact so would you (he had an appendectomy in his 20s). So you can shove natural up your arse".

Mincingfuckdragon · 11/09/2018 03:15

OP you sound traumatised. Birth trauma is a real thing. I had a similar first birth to you and was similarly determined to not have an epidural for my second. I got my wish - but only because my labour progressed too quickly for the epidural I ended up requesting. I can only speak for myself, but holy fuck it hurt and I'd definitely have an epidural if I had a third child. Be kind to yourself - your children are OK. You may need some therapy to help you feel better.

user1471426142 · 11/09/2018 03:23

Please be kind to yourself. No-one should feel guilty for having pain relief. I had a very similar birth to you and it upset me a lot for a while. However, two of my friends that had the most ‘natural’ first births has horrific tearing and both had to have sections done for their second because of lasting damage. Natural is not always wonderful. On paper they had amazing births but I’d rather have taken the intervention than suffer the long term consequences that they did.

ShastaBeast · 11/09/2018 04:08

Epidurals are fab and there’s no shame. I had a drip and asked for the epidural before I let them start, back to back slow labour. It was much more relaxed. Getting a natural delivery even with a drip and epidural was enough. Second time was the ‘ideal’ birth with no pain relief, at home in fact. I felt everything and realised how amazing the epidural actually was. It’s not just the pain but the sensation, I felt more out of control than with the epidural. I’m not at all traumatised and it did help deal with the first labour not going to plan, but I can bear watching birth on TV now, it makes me feel sick. I never want to go through it again, it was like my body was turning itself inside out. And no one cares how your gave birth years later, same as I they don’t care how if you breastfed or what nappies you used.

Movablefeast · 11/09/2018 04:47

My personal opinion is that the best outcome for birth is a healthy mum and baby and however you get to that outcome are all fine and as valid as each other. I had 3 babies and they were all big: almost 9lb, almost 10lb and almost 11b ! I am quite small boned and 5’ 5”, I was not sick (for example no gestational diabetes) and had no complications, I just grow big babies. Every time I had an epidural.

In fact with my last baby, my son who was almost 11lb the doctor had no idea he was going to be so big (he is still really tall and so his weight came from his heavy limbs as he was so long). So to be honest I am still thrilled and amazed I was able to have a vaginal birth and get him out safely. As I was delivering him the doctor said to me “Movable, you’re not having a baby, you’re having a toddler!” . So I say thank God for epidurals!!!!!

Please don’t torture yourself with guilt. Birth is something that is so unique to each of us with so many unknowns and decisions that have to be made quickly in the middle of feeling out of control because we are laboring! You made it and so did your baby and as far as I am concerned that is all that matters.

WeMarchOn · 11/09/2018 04:59

I had 1 emcs & 2 elcs, my last baby he was born with 60% oxygen (he was also 11lb 2ozs) so was taken from me to nicu for 5 days, this really affected me as i was still in post natal ward with other mums and babies while mine was in nicu, he is 6 tomorrow and full of life. Some births don't always go how you plan but all that matters is they are healthy and well.

Twotailed · 11/09/2018 05:04

Please don’t feel bad. In no other circumstance where a person was feeling a pain equivalent to childbirth would you be encouraged to just gracefully bear it without pain relief. It’s a form of misogyny that women are told their births are better or more natural if they don’t have pain relief.

It sounds like you had two really stressful and traumatic births and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you have a form of PTSD. That isn’t your fault and help is available.

HoppingPavlova · 11/09/2018 05:29

Sorry, not sure if analogy has already been made as haven't rtt but would you go to your dentist for root canal with the intention of not having any pain relief and be disappointed if you found it to painful and requested something. Not sure what it is about birth that makes people so odd and why they think pain heroics is the way to go.

I had two epidurals. I thank fuck that such a thing is available and kiss the ground that modern medicine exists re childbirth (and dentistryGrin).

Babysharkdoodoodoodoodoodoodoo · 11/09/2018 06:05

It sounds more as if you are still rather traumatised (understandably Flowers) and therefore focussing upon the epidural as some sort of failure.

It doesn’t matter. You’re here, you’re safe. Your babies are here, they’re safe. That’s all that matters.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 11/09/2018 06:14

You can’t have oxytocin without a drip

The pain is unbearable

Normal labour doesn’t hurt in nearly the same way x

You would not have a tooth extraction without pain relief would you now !?

ohiwa · 11/09/2018 06:16

OP I've had 3 births, 2 without an epidural. With my first I had an epidural after I'd been pushing for 2 hours and then ended up with a forceps delivery with an episiotomy. With my 2nd birth I had an episiotomy and a tear and my son ended up in NICU/SCBU as he needed to be resuscitated when he was born. I didn't get to touch or hold him until the next day. With my recent third birth I had an episiotomy with an arterial tear (which led to significant blood loss) and a large PPH from my uterus as well.
With each birth I spent a lot of time pushing in the birthing pool, thinking I'd get a peaceful waterbirth before it became clear that the delivery was going to be difficult.
Having a 'natural' birth is no guarantee that the birth will be drama or problem free. In hindsight I think my first birth was my best birth experience and certainly my easiest recovery. It took me a long time to process my second birth (with my baby born grey/blue, floppy and not breathing). I'm still processing my more recent experience with the large PPH.
I have had moments where I've felt a failure as I didn't manage to deliver any of my babies in the water.
I actually feel quite strongly that women are misled into thinking that not having an epidural will lead to a natural peaceful birth.

Be kind to yourself. Birth can be beautiful but also incredibly brutal.
When I had my 3rd baby my daughter made me a card that said 'you're a superhero!'. She's 7 - she has no idea about all the judgements we can make about birth. She just thinks growing and producing a baby is a superhero feat - I agree with her.

Flashinggreen · 11/09/2018 06:19

I felt guilty having an epidural for my first baby after the drip was ramped up and I wasn’t traumatised like you from a previous experience.

My second came so quickly I had an accidental home birth with nothing but honestly it wasn’t that painful like when I was induced and I just think I got lucky. I felt lucky I didn’t have to go to the hospital but I definitely didn’t deserve a medal for doing it without pain relief.

Nearly 13 years after my first birth I now feel no guilt about having an epidural, loads of other mother related stuff!...

It will pass and possibly to help it I would talk to a professional about how you feel. As Gunty posted earlier carrying a baby and birthing it is amazing whichever way it comes out.

Be kind to yourself.

Flashinggreen · 11/09/2018 06:20

X post with ohiwa, good to see we both think you need to be kind to yourself

Bue · 11/09/2018 06:26

There are some helpful responses here but I think a lot of posters don't really see where you are coming from as perhaps their hopes for their own births were somewhat different (which is fine). I was of a very similar mindset to you OP- after an epidural and very medicalised first birth I was absolutely determined to have a natural birth the second time around and I booked a homebirth partly because I was worried that if I was in hospital I would cave and have an epidural. I did end up with the homebirth I wanted (it was so fast there would have been no epi for me either way) but I have often thought about how lucky I was that it all worked out (and lots of it really is down to luck). Had things not gone to planet if I had had an epidural I think I would have been fairly devastated tbh and I'm not sure how I would have processed that. So I can understand the feelings you are dealing with. I don't have any actual practical advice for you except that this will likely seem much, much less important as time passes. You are still in the thick of it now but one day when your baby is much older, how you birthed will just not seem as important as it does now.

Morethanthisprovincallife · 11/09/2018 07:34

You have had a traumatic time, have you spoken to anyone about it.
I was told problems caused by epidurals are chicken and egg. Ie whether you had it or not, the baby could be in trouble and you would have had those procedures anyway.

I have given birth both ways and for control, the elc was perfect. It was a beautiful calm safe way to give birth.

After your second I'm surprised you were not offered this. I think the same of both dc. I don't feel any better about the natural birth even though it was pretty good apparently.

Sunnymeg · 11/09/2018 08:02

Be kind to yourself, you did exactly the right thing for you at that time. You and your baby are both happy and healthy. You have nothing to reproach yourself for

Doghorsechicken · 11/09/2018 10:24

I honestly don’t know why you would want a birth without pain medication. You wouldn’t have a tooth out without it, or an operation? Where’s the guilt? We are so lucky to have this privilege, I’m so glad I had an epidural. If I had a gun whilst giving birth before the epidural I think I’d have shot myself! It’s agony!

Molldoll831 · 11/09/2018 11:08

I read more responses through tears while sitting with my little boy this morning, and am so so thankful to you all for taking the time to write. "Be kind to yourself" kept coming through again and again and you are all so right, I really really appreciate it. I will definitely look into talking to someone about what happened, might start with requesting my birth notes from the first birth and talking it over with a midwife to understand what happened. I'm taking this as the first step in moving forward and letting go of everything that happened...thank you so much again xxx

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pineappple · 11/09/2018 11:14

I had to have a twin birth without pain relief and it was absolutely awful, I went into premature labour at 32 weeks and despite being a high risk pregnancy the midwives on the ward didn't believe I was in labour. I was seen by a doctor 24 hours later who confirmed it was full blown labour and too late for any pain relief, including gas and air!!!! I felt awful about this for ages for a number of reasons, mainly for not having my voice heard. One of my babies didn't make it. But I have a happy and healthy 1 year old now and try to focus on that. Don't beat yourself up about it.

JoeElliotsMullet · 11/09/2018 11:15

Be kind to yourself! Labour pains are vile. Our great-great-grandmothers would probably given their eye teeth for some pain relief...

hcpnamechange · 11/09/2018 13:41

I actually feel quite strongly that women are misled into thinking that not having an epidural will lead to a natural peaceful birth.

^this

Hey OP, anaesthetist here, hoping to maybe give you another perspective. First of all, well done for raising this, despite feeling so awful about it - it is hard to do and I applaud you for this. Secondly, your update about requesting notes and going through them with an appropriate health professional is a very good idea to start your healing process. Please make sure it is part of a long term counselling/ptsd treatment program, so that you have good support over a significant period of time. You will know when you get where you need to be, in terms of understanding and acceptance, but you will need help, so please don't give up in seeking it.

Lastly, I apologise upfront, this will be long, but this is too complex for a short explanation and I will try to be as clear as possible, so will be a bit wordy, sorry!

Re: specifically about epidurals. Unfortunately there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding epidurals in labour. Even the most well meaning professional advisory groups have been known for cherry picking the evidence and not consulting with anaesthetists when they write their recommendations regarding pain relief in labour. I am not entirely sure why, but I am guessing that it's part of human confirmation bias: seeking to fit things into your belief system, rather than objectively evaluating evidence for both content and quality. I don't think it's a case of "them" vs "us" or any other general inter-professional tension as such, although I have come across individual resentment.

This lack of consultation might surprise people, given that we are the specialist doctors in this specific domain, not obstetricians or midwives (of course they have training on pain relief, but it's usually a module/component of the training program, whereas for us it's our profession). Sadly, we have just had exactly that sort of non-consulted advice released where I work. To be sure, we always try to raise concerns, but once the advice is published, especially online, there is not a lot we can do. As a result, the negatives are overstated and the positives are downplayed or disregarded.

I have personally witnessed women being actively dissuaded out of considering (!) an epidural because of the misunderstanding of the evidence and the ever-present dogma that "natural is best" (whatever that means?!) This includes the antenatal classes, which I attended as a participant!

When pregnant, we are so wired to think of what's in our baby's best interest, that we are vulnerable to the message of "no or minimal pain relief in labour is ideal" - even if we struggle with period pain without paracetamol and Ibuprofen normally. Contractions can feel like anything between 1x and 1000x your worst period pain - and it will be an entirely individual experience. And this is prolonged and before the pain of vaginal tearing/ episiotomy, which are a lottery too. Hence pain relief choices should always be individual and AT the time, not ruled out upfront when you cannot possibly know what 1000x period pain will feel like for YOU until you have it.

OP, one part of your original post sticks out for me in that your second labour progressed much faster than you thought and 'if only you held out a bit longer, you might have avoided the epidural' - please don't be harsh with yourself, you could not have known that. Also, it might have actually been the epidural that allowed everything to relax so things sped up - this is not unheard of. Obviously, I don't have enough info in your post to claim this outright, but it is a possibility.

To others reading this: in many obstetric services around the developed world, the labour epidural anaesthetist (if in fact the hospital provides labour epidurals as a service - some do not) also covers emergency caesarean theatre. So, if there is a patient in theatre, we can't come out of theatre to place an epidural, which may mean a delay from the time you ask for one. On weekends/evenings/nights there is often only one anaesthetist on site for the obstetric service, with backup at least 20-30min away, depending on the resourcing of the hospital. Generally speaking, hospital management is a bit dim in terms of what anaesthetists do and how much time our specific procedures require, probably deliberately, because to resource us better means extra cost. Lastly, in the public setting, we don't get paid any more whether we do no epidurals per day vs 20 or whatever. So, if anything, if women choose not to have them, my day is less busy, although not necessarily less stressful because looking after a woman who needs an urgent (and just about always unexpected) intervention in theatre and who has a working epidural is often safer than the next anaesthetic option(s) and certainly faster to get the actual surgical procedure started.

If you take away nothing else from my lengthy post, let it be this: pain is a subjective experience, it must be respected in its own right and managed appropriately to avoid problems later.

OP, I wish you all the best as you go on your recovery journey. Take care and look after yourself :)

Beetlebum1981 · 11/09/2018 13:49

I didn't have one for either of my DD's, I think that's because I had really easy births and the idea of a needle in my spine freaks me out! However, it was something that I had on both plans as as far as I was concerned if I needed the pain relief I was going to have it. Try not to beat yourself up about it, have you wondered about trying to access counselling?

ItsColdNow · 11/09/2018 13:58

Why on earth does it matter? Your baby is here and you are fine. It’s not a competition and the people who brag they had pain free labour just had easier labours, there’s no competition or need to compare. I had one labour with pain relief and the rest without any and I would not compare my experience with anyone else’s and it’s not anything I would brag about. It is bloody painful. It’s horrid. And it amuses me that after delivery on ward you get offered pain relief every 4-6 hours yet during the worst bit (actual labour) there’s some kind of badge of honour and aim for people to go painfree. I don’t get what is achieved by this? You don’t have a different relationship with your child and it makes no difference. Enjoy your baby and try not to dwell on it.

Witchofwisteria · 11/09/2018 14:13

YABU, get over it and move on please, who cares they are both here and healthy and your 2nd birth was fine. You must have more important things to worry yourself with surely?

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