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To be heartened to see so many European flags...

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Sarahlou63 · 08/09/2018 22:46

at the Last Night of the Proms? Love the music and general English nuttiness of the concert but really pleased to see so many European flags and hats.

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Moussemoose · 09/09/2018 19:48

'Yet another slur' oh ffs get over yourself. The self pitying whining is driving me mad. You won, we lost so why do you persist in presenting the Brexit case as the victim?

If you Brexiters are confident in your case why are you obsessed with being presented as victims. Stop being racist and the slur will go. Start making valid points and people won't say you are stupid.

BUT while you persist in making points that are infantile and make no sense remainers will laugh at you. Grow up, focus, come up with valid points and we can have a discussion.

colouringinpro · 09/09/2018 22:16

"I find the Last Night ever more poignant since the Brexit vote. All that celebration of the greatness of Britain when we're about to throw it all down the pan"

This X 10000000000000

mothertruck3r · 09/09/2018 22:27

Aren't the Proms considered a ghastly racist event that only little Englanders attend? I'm surprised the rich intellectuals who voted remain would want to rub shoulders with those nasty gammon plebs.

ItsAllAJoke · 09/09/2018 22:29
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LellyMcKelly · 09/09/2018 22:30

I was delighted to see them. A great job by all concerned. See you at The Peoples Vote March on 20th October!

Gersemi · 09/09/2018 23:50

I must say I’m increasingly perplexed by the continued moaning of remainers. There were arguments both ways.

Yes, Deadbudgie, that was the case in June 2016. But since then we've actually had the facts. And those include the facts that this ridiculous exercise is costing billions of pounds, the pound has been seriously weakened, the NHS is certainly not going to get shedloads of money out of Brexit, we've lost valuable EU workers in their thousands, and that we're looking at a potentially disastrous no deal exit. They also include the fact that Leave camp has been demonstrated to have broken electoral laws significantly and its biggest funder was having major discussions with the Russians.

Is there really any valid reason why the electorate shouldn't be allowed to vote on the basis if the actual facts and the present-day situation? After all, when May didn't like the outcome of the 2015 election she was quick enough to ditch the 5 year rule and ask the electorate to vote again.

BasilFaulty · 09/09/2018 23:56

I like seeing all the EU bumper stickers as well and have one myself Smile

Defrack · 10/09/2018 00:33

Well actually the rule is there must be an election within 5 years so she didn't ditch any rule.

Apart from that agree with your post Grin

Moussemoose · 10/09/2018 07:54

The Fixed Parliament Act actually fixed the term of the parliament. An exact date was set for when the next election was to be held. That was the law that was overturned.

SlartiAardvark · 10/09/2018 08:08

So can no one complain about anything that happens if they didn't vote for it. So about 17 million people can't complain or talk about brexit then?

You've nailed it.

They were obviously happy either way so you could say that their apathy was a vote for Brexit - it certainly didn't help Remain now did it? I certainly class anyone that didn't vote as a Brexiteer & they have my thanks!!

If you don't use your vote -

A:- You're a fool
B:- Your moans are irrelevant - you had a chance to have a say & didn't use it.

SlartiAardvark · 10/09/2018 08:09

See you at The Peoples Vote March on 20th October!

Yeah, cos they change loads don't they (ask Saddam).....

BertrandRussell · 10/09/2018 08:18

“I would like a leaver at the helm now. Someone needs to get grip and steer us out.“

I’m a Remainer and I agree with you on this. Trouble is, I can’t think of any potential candidates. Who did you have in mind?

scaryteacher · 10/09/2018 08:22

Moussemoose I am over myself, I just get pissed offer with those who are still sore about the referendum result flinging slurs at those who voted leave ranging from 'gammons' ' xenophobic' 'thick' 'don't understand what they were voting for 'knuckle draggers' to now, ' don't appreciate the skill in classical music's.

It's not self pitying whining, the remainers seem to have cornered that particular market, but irritation that whilst it is accepted that there are valid reasons for remain, the same courtesy isn't afforded to those of us that voted leave, and would again.

Incidentally, I thought Sir Andrew Davis did a cracking job, and I loved the Parry and Jess Gillan. One of my happiest childhood memories was going to the RAH for a performance of Messiah; and later, when ds was 11, taking him to the first Dr Who prom in 2008.

BertrandRussell · 10/09/2018 08:26

I am perfectly prepared to believe that there are loads of thoughtful articulate Leavers with excellent, well thought out, evidence based reasons for their vote. I do find it a bit strange that they never seem to appear on the media, on social media, on here or in my local pub.........

LittleLionMansMummy · 10/09/2018 08:45

whilst it is accepted that there are valid reasons for remain, the same courtesy isn't afforded to those of us that voted leave

The thing is, leavers voted for change, therefore the onus is on them to explain their reasons. The Remainers disagreed and are perfectly entitled, indeed obliged, to continue to disagree and to push Leavers for the explanation/ reasoning that suggests leaving the EU will result in a magical multicoloured unicorn at the end of this shit show you've forced us all to endure. It would help if we could find more than a handful of people who can explain, coherently, exactly why they voted as they did. What will it achieve? What next? How will things change for the better with the UK being out, either in the short or the long term?

BertrandRussell · 10/09/2018 09:10

"whilst it is accepted that there are valid reasons for remain, the same courtesy isn't afforded to those of us that voted leave"
You know what? I am desperate for someone to tell me all the good reasons there are for leaving, and why it will make life better for me, and in particular, for my children, in the future. I would love to read things and listen to people that would reassure me. But I can't find any. Can you point me in the right direction, please?

Gersemi · 10/09/2018 09:10

I would like a leaver at the helm now. Someone needs to get grip and steer us out.

The problem is that I've never yet heard a prominent leaver producing anything resembling a coherent, credible plan. Johnson in particular find it all too easy to criticise May whilst consistently failing to come up with any sensible alternative, and I strongly suspect the reality is that he doesn't want to be put in charge because he has no clue what to do and doesn't want to go down in history as the man who led us into disaster.

Cobblersandhogwash · 10/09/2018 09:50

Tell me what your votes for?

  1. No deal?
  2. Canada+ deal?
  3. EEA deal?
  4. Any other deal?

Or did you just sign on the dotted line and are happy to be told the details of the contract later??

topcat1980 · 10/09/2018 10:01

The fact that leavers can't put forward a credible candidate nor credible solutions speaks volumes.

The fact that they all fight about what leaving will look like speaks volumes too.

Leaving the EU was a broad church of alliances of grievances brought together under one belt, once the leave vote was achieved that alliance fractured.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 10/09/2018 10:06

I certainly class anyone that didn't vote as a Brexiteer & they have my thanks!!

Err, no.

Their apathy may have helped your cause but it doesn't mean they agree with you. If they wanted change they'd have got out there on the day and voted for it. The fact that they didn't says that they didn't care much either way but certainly weren't unhappy enough with the status quo to try and change it.

In my view, that shouldn't be enough of a mandate for the kind of constitutional changes we are making. It should have required over 50% of eligible voters to vote for it.

But complacent Cameron thought he'd win, and the likes of Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg knew they only needed to promise people unicorns and the moon on a stick to get the leave vote over the line, and then they could use it as justification to do whatever the fuck they want.

What you or I want doesn't come into it.

topcat1980 · 10/09/2018 10:07

The convention is that non voters are happy with the status quo, or so I thought.

JacquesHammer · 10/09/2018 10:11

I just get pissed offer with those who are still sore about the referendum result flinging slurs at those who voted leave ranging from 'gammons' ' xenophobic' 'thick' 'don't understand what they were voting for 'knuckle draggers' to now, ' don't appreciate the skill in classical music's

To be honest I'm desperate for a Leaver to appear somewhere with a decent discussion about why they voted Leave. I'm guessing two years down the line those erudite, intelligent Leavers are akin to unicorn?

SlartiAardvark · 10/09/2018 10:18

What you or I want doesn't come into it.

I disagree, what I want does come in to it & is happening.

SlartiAardvark · 10/09/2018 10:20

To be honest I'm desperate for a Leaver to appear somewhere with a decent discussion about why they voted Leave.

There have been plenty, people like you just don't listen & we just get fed up with the constant bleating of "rayyyyyyysist" and the insults.

Cobblersandhogwash · 10/09/2018 10:20

Sunlit uplands. It's all such bollocks.

This from the man who said it was all going to be so easy.

They don't know what they are doing. We have given politicians carte blanche and they don't know what to do.

To be heartened to see so many European flags...