To be heartened to see so many European flags...

[Sarahlou63]

at the Last Night of the Proms? Love the music and general English nuttiness of the concert but really pleased to see so many European flags and hats.

It was planned, so not some spontaneous event. So yes yabu

It was lovely to see, but so poignant too. Music and musicians will be and have already been badly damaged by Brexit - the EU Youth Orchestra has movedits administrative team from London to Ferrara, Italy. “You can’t ask for EU funding and then not be in the EU,” said its chief executive. Also, the European Union Baroque Orchestra has relocated to Antwerp, Belgium, because of Brexit.
You may not care about the music, but those jobs are gone and they’ve left behind vacant office spaces and unemployed cleaners, etc.

And even if we stop this madness, they won’t come back. It’s such a colossal act of self-harm.

Look like bitter weirdos.

Its almost like Britain is being slowly conquered by a foreign country.

Isn't that why so many voted to Leave the EU?

I feel European too so very pleased to hear about the flags.

Whatever the reason for them - planned or unplanned. It’s good.

I joked with the dc that it was £1 for a GB flag and free for an EU one, that's why so many cheapskates like me waved them.
It's actually quite sad that I wasn't far from the truth.

I find the Last Night ever more poignant since the Brexit vote. All that celebration of the greatness of Britain when we're about to throw it all down the pan

Agree.

I noticed and was pleased.

I also was delighted to see the sea of coloured dresses worn by the choir and orchestral women, such a change from their more traditional black.

Most Londoners support Remain. Fact.

Tbh I don't see the point in it?
Regardless of what we do the government isn't going to change its mind is it?

Both major parties support brexit in their manifesto and they're too cowardly to back us out of it. If they didn't listen to the massive march of the people I don't see they're gonna be bothered by a few flags

I'm also worried the what will happen if we reverse the brexit decision, so many people already feel let down and disenfranchised with the establishment after being shit on by society, so I dread to think what they would do if there 'democratic vote was ignored.

Scots votes Remain. Fact.

voted

My families area voted leave, apologies

Yes all the mass waving of a supranational organisation’s foreign flag at a uk concert as part of a planned infiltration and to give a message to the public is deeply creepy. It does look like attempt at conquest of sorts. If it looks like a duck....

And even in swivel-eyed whackjob pro Leave rural areas like mine, still a sizeable number of us voted Remain.

I'm European, whether the bigots like it or not. Will always consider myself that. The union flag and flag of St George mean sod all to me. They used to, but not now.

Whatever happens next year - even if this whole ridiculous pile of shit caves in on itself and normality is restored, I hope to see the European flag outnumber the others next year at the Proms.

My father was a classically trained musician. Now I realise, the music I grew up with, that was practiced constantly in my house, my whole childhood - was almost entirely European (none of that Elgar shit).

I'm also worried the what will happen if we reverse the brexit decision, so many people already feel let down and disenfranchised with the establishment after being shit on by society, so I dread to think what they would do if there 'democratic vote was ignored.

Get a reality check? Grow up?

I dunno why fascists tantrumming is seen as an excuse not to have a second referendum. No-one would give a shit if the Left wanted to start rioting about something or other - due process of law, draft in a load of coppers from somewhere else - everyone kettled, water cannoned - banged up. Job done. How is it different if Farage and his nutters break the law?

If something is wrong, and obviously a failure, and going to cause chaos - then stop it. It's intriguing how past governments would never be seen to give in to terrorism, or even things like the suffragettes - and yet cave in instantly the extreme right wing (which is what Brexit is driven by, let's be honest) threaten to throw a hissy fit.

I don't know why you're telling me to grow up?
I have a legitimate concern so I don't see why that needs me to grow up.

I agree we should reverse brexit decision but me being worried about what would happen if they did is a legitimate concern as I would rather no violence occurred tbh.

I think people forget that it's jot just racists that voted brexit, it's also people that stupidly used it as an excuse to shove one to the government.
We've had for years seen our industries going, traditional industrial towns be wrecked, people on benefits vilified, cuts to education, defence, healthcare etc.
And every government has trotted out stuff blaming the EU for these problems then wonder why a large group of people vote against the EU.
It doesn't help people that voted brexit get instantly called thick or racist, they already feel society looks down on them in their day to day lives so see this as another way for the rich to belittle them.

Again I voted remain. But I think we also need to discuss why people voted leave.
And we need to listen to them.
If we want to remain and get the decision reversed, then we need to change the minds of brexiteers.
We need to listen to their concerns and try do policies that help.

E.g. if people fear immigration, do what other countries do, if you haven't found employment in 3 months leave.

Yes , because all leave voters are “fascists” obviously. Dear oh dear. Can’t wait for us to leave the EU.

“I think people forget that it's jot just racists that voted brexit, it's also people that stupidly used it as an excuse to shove one to the government.”

Fuck off with your ridiculous statement. I voted for Brexit and am neither a racist nor was I “shoving one to the government”. I have genuine concerns about the European integration project and the direction it is heading, and many other leave voters feel the same. How dare you make statements like that you arrogant twit.

Fuck off with your ridiculous statement. I voted for Brexit and am neither a racist nor was I “shoving one to the government”. I have genuine concerns about the European integration project and the direction it is heading, and many other leave voters feel the same. How dare you make statements like that you arrogant twit

Hear, hear.

" Don't think it was either planned or a protest, rather middle England showing a dignified middle finger to the Brexiters."

PMSL. They were just carrying free flags.

Totally agree Unicorn!

Analunicorn, well said.

I have been criticised for not voting. However, I simply didn't feel qualified to do so. I am a reasonably intelligent barrister, with some knowledge of the pros and cons but still not enough knowledge for a vote.

One thing I was sure of? I didn't agree with the referendum in the first place. To blindly say I could have 'stopped it' is to assume I'd have wanted to.

I know many intelligent government-loving liberals who voted Brexit. The more anti-Brexiter sentiment/blatant prejudice I hear, the more glad I am that the vote went as it did.

I have mixed feelings about the LNotP in any case, but the EU political protest was a further example of the 'let us have another go' sour grapes attitude.

I have genuine concerns about the European integration project and the direction it is heading.

"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."