To think a rapist shouldn't be in a women's prision to start with?

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A rapist has now admitted to assaulting female prisoners while in a women's prision. (This individual is in prision for rape but the assaults on prisoners do not appear to have been rape. Assuming all have come forward. )

But there is a large part of me that think this is down almost entirely to the people who put him there. Don't get me wrong - I blame the rapist. But it is clear that they are opportunistic. So while you wouldn't be surprised if someone went in a tigers cage and got eaten, you shouldn't be surprised that a rapist going into a women's prision assaults women.

These assaults were wholly avoidable. AIBU to think the people who enabled the rapist should be held partially responsible?

*for clarity: as MNHQ do not allow a person to be misgendered and this individual identifies as trans I have not used male pronouns. I hope that this does not prevent clear discussion.

How much further back shall we go? How about throwing people to the lions?

Bloody ridiculous. But unless folk start addressing this issue and deciding where protections/segregation are or should actually be sex based then this shit will just keep on happening.

Normally extreme cases make bad law but in this situation the extreme cases (rapists in female prisons) just show up the whole situation for the insanity it really is.

Yanbu, it's a fucking disgrace.

Words fail me.
And the quote at the bottom of the expanded article:

'Ministry of Justice (MoJ) guidance says in the "great majority" of cases transgender prisoners are allowed to "experience the system" in the gender in which they identify.
The department said there were "strict safeguards" to prevent abuse of the way transgender prisoners are managed, and attempts to undermine the system were rare.'

Yes "strict safeguarding" but yet a confessed multiple rapist was still allowed access to vulnerable women without escape.
Is it not "rare" because it's only recently been allowed?

To the PP who said history will judge I see harshly, I think they should when you hear about awful things like this ^

Women and girls as collateral damage. Unbelievably there are actually some women who find this acceptable!

Ugh clumsy fingers! **judge us

Does anyone know if she would have had to have her tackle off before entering a women's prison? Surely we haven't gone so mad to be letting penises into a women's prisons?

I still don't think a rapist should be allowed in but it is a bit more of a commitment than self id.

Is there any legal action the assaulted women could take because they were not safeguarded?

Nope penis is fine, that's a female sex organ now apparently.

Women in prison are not a population that people have much sympathy with I suppose which is why this little experiment is happening.

Certainly different groups of women / girls are considered lower / no value and the "authorities" and probably much of society are less worried / upset etc when shit is done to them.

Is there any possibility that the female inmates who were assaulted by this person could sue the prison service for negligence?

Crazy. No other words.

Yet another case where no impact assessment on the existing service users appears to have been carried out.

This is bloody outrageous and I hope the women who were his victims sue the prison service. The idea of a male rapist being placed in a women's prison is just so preposterous that it sounds like something from dystopian fiction.

Rapist in women’s hail sexually assaults women ...quelle surprise!

Safeguarding is not waiting until it happens and then taking action

To answer an earlier question - No changes to genetalia are need. Between 80-95% (estimates vary) of Trans people keep the original sex organs. No need to have chemical castration either - there is nothing to suggest this person was not in possession of a 100% working penis.

I have seen a defence previously of a trans person using their penis to rape someone as an outward sign of their disgust with their own body.

Disgusting and exactly why we need to keep up the fight against this nonsense.

And this has taken place at a time when the law still has some safeguarding in place to assess these kinds of people.

Allowing any man to self identify as a woman just on his say so will make things even worse.

Posted this on the other thread, I think I saw it on Twitter:

"Surely the point of locking up sex offenders is to keep them away from women, not to make it so women can't escape."

I think we have got the phrasing of this one slightly wrong. I think the full horror of it is more clearly expressed as women being locked in with rapists - those women who are having their human rights so awfully removed.

Cross posted a little there Viago.

And on their incarceration within a male prison (as per the BBC article), will they then re-identify as a male, so they are protected???

The whole thing stinks, its tragically disgraceful.

This is totally barbaric. Revolting. Women locked up - deliberately, and by the justice system, FFS - with a rapist? It's like something out of the Middle Ages.

And while women in the developing world fight for single sex facilities when naked or vulnerable, they are faced with losing them here. Women are losing ground in terms of rights.

We will look back on this as a dark time in our history.

It's so last century.

We are meant to have moved on in regards to recognising abuse and woman having more power to stand up to abuse.

Even 50/60 years ago woman lived in violent relationships as the stigma of divorce and financial implications were too great.

And now they matter so little they can be housed deliberately with violent offenders with a history of offending against them.

But I don't think think anyone should be housed with the sex/gender they were sexually abusive too.

I don't think if a non trans male or female raped the same sex they should be placed with them. They need to be segregated as they pose a risk.

Just posted about this on Facebook; I'll let you know if I get banned or suspended

Male feelings are obviously far more important than female safety ☹️