To think a rapist shouldn't be in a women's prision to start with?

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A rapist has now admitted to assaulting female prisoners while in a women's prision. (This individual is in prision for rape but the assaults on prisoners do not appear to have been rape. Assuming all have come forward. )

But there is a large part of me that think this is down almost entirely to the people who put him there. Don't get me wrong - I blame the rapist. But it is clear that they are opportunistic. So while you wouldn't be surprised if someone went in a tigers cage and got eaten, you shouldn't be surprised that a rapist going into a women's prision assaults women.

These assaults were wholly avoidable. AIBU to think the people who enabled the rapist should be held partially responsible?

*for clarity: as MNHQ do not allow a person to be misgendered and this individual identifies as trans I have not used male pronouns. I hope that this does not prevent clear discussion.

The whole situation is unsustainable. The state cannot continue to lock up men in women’s prisons. The whole concept is just rediculous and shows how are from common sense we are now. Men and women must be held men and women’s prisons based on their sex. Not whatever gender they profess to follow. Pandering to the fetishes of men who want to bully their way into women’s spaces, who have previously raped is just absolute madness. The staff of whatever department who signed off this man to be sent to a woman’s prison should be held personally accountable as part of criminal proceedings on behalf of the women involved. They were deliberately placed at physical risk by authority who should be there to look after and rehabilitate them. I have no sympathy for any rapist and I have no sympathy for authority who do not do their job properly.

I can well believe kitty is a woman. Misogyny's an equal opportunity pursuit.

I may have got them confused with the shower rape commenter.
But it's still evens-on I reckon. (and even if natal woman, their rape apologism and condoning violence against female prisoners may as well make her an MRA)

Looking at Twitter handles for matching usernames is always interesting too(*). There is a matching tweeter who seems to post little more than videos of men giving women oral sex. I like a good bit of it as much as the next (real) woman, but not so much that I feel compelled to post videos every 5 minutes.

(* Hence why I tend to use usernames that are either randomly generated or just a string of words I see when setting up a profile.)

The staff of whatever department who signed off this man to be sent to a woman’s prison should be held personally accountable as part of criminal proceedings on behalf of the women involved

Questions need to asked of those individuals, organisations and charities who have briefed and lobbied policy makers.

Policies have been repeatedly made with the sole purpose of trans-rights with no impact assessments made on how these may detrimentall affect others specifically women and children, especially girls.

In many cases those who have been so involved in shaping policies have no specific professional expertise or experience of the areas that they are so influencing. Whilst those with knowledge and experience who have legitimate concerns have been silenced.

cf www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

Lots of TW refer to themselves as mothers, and ask children to change what they call them when they transition

There was a case which started earlier in the year regarding a tranman who having given birth wanted the child's birth certificate to record them as either father or parent.

I don't know the outcome.

It is though feasible that should this challenge be successful that parents who were male when the child was conceived who then transitioned could assert the right to be treated as mother.

Educate is about what Kitty, that a sex offenders who has raped women with his penis, should not be allowed Inna woman's prison with some very vulnerable women with his tool of crime still intact as well. That a woman's safety whoever they are is more important, than a sex offenders rights to change sex, quite possibly because he wants unfettered access to victims being in a woman's prison.

Your shouting transphobix and bigoted at women who quite rightly are concerned about this very real danger. Let's hope you don't come across a sex offenders in a dark night, then you will change your tune. They will take you, with no thoughts about your feelings and safety. For the record kitty this sex offender has raised women, he has exerted his make power over them, rendered them powerless, without any thought or care to them, to satisfy his twisted sexual urges, and you want him in a women's prison, with the very people he attacks. See a shrink love you need it!

2015 Dr. James Barrett, President of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists evidence to Maria Miller MP & the Women & Equalities Transgender Equality Inquiry:
"...the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences. These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual, offences. It has been rather naïvely suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case. There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this. These vary from the opportunity to have trips out of prison through to a desire for a transfer to the female estate (to the same prison as a co-defendant) through to the idea that a parole board will perceive somebody who is female as being less dangerous through to a [false] belief that hormone treatment will actually render one less dangerous through to wanting a special or protected status within the prison system"

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/written/19532.pdf

Sorry, rape and male power, not make.

Some people like Kitty are sick and need psychological help, sympathising with sex offenders. It is really twisted.

Bowlofbabelfish I was responding to Nadia who was implying that we were only against this particular man because he is trans. I don't know how you got from my post that I think people on here are fine with other rapists and child abusers when I was arguing the opposite.

Apologies twisted stitch I’ve worded that badly - I was replying to the person you’d replied to, and it looks like I was replying to you. My bad, and sorry!

No worries Bowl.

I'm still waiting to hear a definition of 'transphobia' from the people who like to accuse us of it. As far as I can tell it applies to doing or saying anything that someone who considers themselves trans doesn't like...

The rhetoric is being whipped up into more froth as each new reveal comes out.

Because that is the time when the abuse escalates - just before it all comes out in the open.

So savour the 'you are all xxx transphobes' as it means they know a bigger reveal is just around the corner and they just want you to shut up.

I'm still waiting to hear a definition of 'transphobia' from the people who like to accuse us of it. As far as I can tell it applies to doing or saying anything that someone who considers themselves trans doesn't like...

With a side order of 'Mummy is not letting me have everything I want'.

There is a reason why males and females are not incarcerated together anywhere in the world. We all know that reason. It puts the women at risk of violence, sexual or otherwise. That risk doesn't just disappear when the male in question "identifies" as a woman (whatever that means).

It's worse that this one was a rapist and sex offender but even those who aren't should not be put in a female prison. Ever

Can those defending this policy explain how it's any different to just getting rid of sex segregation altogether, which even they must admit would and should never happen?

Personally think you should be seen (ON PAPER) as said gender till sexual reassignment surgery has finished

I'm pretty sure the position of most posters is entirely consistent- that we think male criminals who are violent, sex offenders and/or have harmed children should be locked up in male jails.

There have been, and will doubtless be more threads in future discussing such issues in general.

Personally think you should be seen (ON PAPER) as said gender till sexual reassignment surgery has finished

80% don't have reassignment surgery. They are just the same. But identify as women

They shout bigot and transphobic when they have lost the debate, like a baby throwing out toys from its pram. Anyone who thinks it is fine for Males who have raped or attacked or assulted women, to be housed with them has lost the plot. Add to that, the man still had his weapon of crime, so free to attack other women in the same way. Can't people see that most offenders are not genuine trans, but those who want it a) easy in prison, and b) gain access to women.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6145781/University-researcher-asked-Facebook-group-circulate-list-academics-disagreed-her.html

This TRA just fits the bill of who a TRA is: aggressive, bullying and nasty.

It makes me really sad that so many people are this transphobic and irrational, but I guess that's just the way it is, I won't try to educate you anymore.

You really can't do a " I'm not angry, just disappointed" to a forum of mothers. They invented it!

How do you know the motives of a sex offender wanting to become a lady. How do you know if they are genuine, or done to gain access to more victims to abuse? You don't!

The woke answer to this is, well it never happens, women are just making it up (right, 'womens officer'?) and that you are a nasty transphobic bigot for even thinking this.

Fucking ridiculous decision, as are many recently. As son as 'trans' is mentioned everything we know about safeguarding is tyhrown out of the window. Its bizarre really, and seeing people try to defend this..is very weird.

from the Sunday Times today, article by Andrew Gilligan:

'Trans offender seeks to wipe crimes as a man from record'
(extract)
A transgender offender is seeking to delete from her record two crimes that could only have been committed by a man.

“I do not wish my gender history to be more widely known and do not wish to disclose my trans status to employers,” the woman, who asked to be identified only as Helen, said. She is to launch a judicial review to remove two convictions for “importuning as a man” when she worked at a Soho “clip joint” in the 1970s and 1980s.

A right to removal, if established, could cover rape, another crime that can legally be committed only by a person with a penis.

Trans people with a gender recognition certificate are legally entitled to keep their birth gender secret.

Helen’s barrister, Claire McCann, said disclosure of offences that revealed Helen’s birth gender in criminal record checks was “severe and discriminatory interference with Helen’s right to respect for her private life”. (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-offender-seeks-to-wipe-crimes-as-aman-from-record-qfk5w68lb?shareToken=2bb5072907deafb68dd42f53a6ab758a

How do you know the motives of a sex offender wanting to become a lady. How do you know if they are genuine, or done to gain access to more victims to abuse? You don't!

Because it is known that sex offenders will always seek more victims this is why there is a sex offenders register and they have probation officers to keep them under some form of control

Restrictions is what stops most offenders re offending and age

How do you know the motives of a sex offender wanting to become a lady. How do you know if they are genuine, or done to gain access to more victims to abuse? You don't!

The woke answer to this is, well it never happens, women are just making it up (right, 'womens officer'?) and that you are a nasty transphobic bigot for even thinking this.

The response to that first paragraph is spot-on because TRAs and handmaidens can't rebut the argument so they need to resort to name-calling, which is the classic tactic of a bully.