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Scalded for drinking alcohol by a stranger

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Boilin · 18/08/2018 17:45

Went to Wetherspoons (I'm still there) with DP. I'm 28 weeks pregnant at the moment and had half a pint of cider with my meal. The woman who served it to me had no issue with it whatsoever, but the man stood next to me (not sure if he was slightly drunk) felt it appropriate to tell my DP that 'that won't be good for her or the baby' (hello I'm stood right here Hmm). DP told him, 'it's fine' and told me to ignore him and the bloke then continued to discuss under his breath with his partner/friend my choice to have a drink.

AIBU to think he had no right? To think that it's fine that I had half a pint once in a blue moon? To feel pissed off with the constant judgement of my ever move since I've been pregnant?

Ugh. I've just had enough of today! Sorry for moaning...

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BlueBug45 · 26/08/2018 07:31

@nolongersurprised the New York Times isn't a scientific journal.

nolongersurprised · 26/08/2018 07:33

No, but it links to the JAMA one and a few pithy position statements Smile

nolongersurprised · 26/08/2018 07:54

It’s interesting when you think about how awareness and subsequent public health advice has evolved :

  1. First there was awareness that children born to frankly alcoholic women were more likely to have birth defects, learning difficulties, specific facial dysmorphisms. Women were advised to neither drink heavily nor binge drink during pregnancy.
  2. More moderate drinkers also had children with particular types of leaning problems, subtle facial differences, executive functioning difficulties. Women were advised to drink only small amounts, such as 1-3 per week and after a certain stage of pregnancy. These were usually advised by people like obstetricians rather than paeds neurologists.
  3. People like paeds neurologists and behavioural paediatricians became concerned that more subtle executive functioning difficulties are secondary to alcohol exposure, with particular women and particular fetuses potentially more at risk than others. This coincides with animal and fish studies showing cellular damage at low levels. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29846983/

The public health recommendations are changed to reflect these concerns yet women find it hard to move past the 1-3 drinks (or whatever) arbitrarily set levels.

nolongersurprised · 26/08/2018 09:06

It’s also interesting that in animals the extent of alcohol-related fetal brain damage is modified by genetics.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29691979/

So, while Mouse1 enjoyed a tipple of sherry every now and then and her daughter went to mouse Oxbridge and got a first in maths and is now solving unsolvable maths equations Mouse2’s son may have been affected by the exposure and struggle with the fluid reasoning component in the 11-plus.

The recommendations of abstinence is partly influenced by increased knowledge of factors like genetic polymorphisms which affect metabolism and effects of alcohol.

StepsRoadmum · 29/08/2018 22:07

@apriljune12

No they are clones and probably follow every piece of bat shit advice from baby wearing to attatchment parenting.

I know I'm going off topic here as this is not about the drinking issue but I was reading through some of the comments and am wondering what exactly is the issue with baby wearing? Why is carrying your baby in a sling or carrier in order to make life with an unsettled new born just a little bit easier 'bat shit advice'? What would you recommend instead? Leaving the baby to scream whilst you do chores or entertain your other child/children?

SaoirseTheSeahorse · 30/08/2018 09:36

women find it hard to move past the 1-3 drinks (or whatever) arbitrarily set levels

I agree with your posts and have been saying more or less the same (though I have been a lot less scientific Grin). There is no 100% safe level of alcohol consumption, (for anyone, as it goes, not just women and not just pregnant women).

But, I will say that when I had sc1 in 2014, my GP and a paediatrician who treated dc1 when she was born, respectively said “we recommend no alcohol at all, but 1-2 units, once or twice a week, after the first trimester is probably fine” (it also said on the nhs website to limit alcohol to nothing or if you did drink then no more than 1-2 units once or twice a week) and “the odd glass of wine doesn’t count as drinking alcohol in pregnancy” Confused.

By the time I was pregnant again in 2017, the advice on the nhs website and given to me by midwives was absolutely no alcohol and the bit about limiting to 1-2 units, once or twice a week had been removed from the nhs website. When I said at my booking in appointment that I’d had a few glasses of wine in the few weeks before I knew I was expecting (dc2 was a total surprise pregnancy) and was that something to be concerned about, the midwife said not at all, as long as I wasn’t caning it, (which I certainly wasn’t).

So I think it’s actually a little unfair to say “women” are resistant to this. It’s cultural imo and not just women, but HCPs including men. It is hardly surprising that this information is taking so long to be disseminated as I think it’s everyone who is resistant to the recommendations on alcohol. I get why. Life is short - not short enough for some miserable existences. So why bother following the guidelines that NOBODY should EVER consume alcohol if they want to be 100% safe.

Plus, I suspect various pieces of research contradict each other, so there are mixed messages.

But that doesn’t change the fact that, to be 100% safe, no alcohol at all is your only option.

I do think the tide is turning and people are thinking about drinking a lot less. When my mum had my siblings and me, (and also after), I think alcohol consumption was much higher and still is among a good portion of the people I know from her generation. Even when I was young, people aspired to be ladettes / pissheads. I think that, thankfully, is over and young people now are much more sensible.

I work in hospitality and the people who drink the least tend to be under 30. They also tend to have just gone for a run that morning etc if I get chatting to them.

Another thing re the NYT article; I would love to know how they identified FASD sufferers in the JAMA study. I’m not arguing with its findings, as I’m not a scientist / medic and I also agree, (as far as I’m allowed to hold an opinion, being a non scientific type Grin), with their recommendation to abstain completely in pregnancy. But from my layperson skim read of it and google, it seems there is no definitive test for FASD. These 222 children mainly already had identified behavioural problems and the researchers relied on interviews with mothers re alcohol consumption, or if they weren’t available, they interviewed relatives of the mother? I don’t know... does that not seem a bit iffy? Surely they could have lied either way. It seems like a lot of assumptions, which seems dangerous if a scientist wants to prove something. Can’t probe a negative etc.

Also, I don’t understand the formula, but what does the weighting thing mean? They found a certain number of children effected and assumed however many more were because... why? Genuine question as wish I bloody understood this stuff! It’s very interesting.

SaoirseTheSeahorse · 30/08/2018 09:37

Dc1! Not sc1. I don’t have any stepchildren.

SaoirseTheSeahorse · 30/08/2018 10:01

As in, if the mother lied and said she’d had a glass of wine in the first trimester when she’d actually had a bottle of wine twice a week throughout her pregnancy, how would they know that? And then if her child shows signs of FASD they will think that a glass of wine caused that? Or what if a nasty relative said “oh her she’s a drunkard and had loads to drink” when she was completely teetotal and her child had behavioural problems so the researchers assume it was related to alcohol?

I’m guessing I’m missing something I am NOT SCIENTIFIC, I repeat NOT SCIENTIFIC Grin.

PregnantSea · 12/12/2018 07:56

You had every right to be annoyed, he stuck his nose in your business, made a whole bunch of assumptions and then voiced his concerns to your partner and essentially ruined your meal out. What an absolute bellend.

Conversely though, it is better not to drink while pregnant but (not that any stranger has the right to tell you that!) . No safe level of alcohol has been proven. That being said, my friend who is an obstetrician drank one small glass of wine every Sunday when pregnant with her 3rd. She knows more about it than most people so that says something!

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