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To ask a girl to leave our netball team?

236 replies

Missjb87 · 16/08/2018 21:38

I've been playing netball in an organised league for 1.5 seasons. I initially joined alongside a group of strangers and we've stayed on as a team and paid for a 2nd season.

We're all of a similar level aside from 1 girl who really struggles to catch and hasn't improved since we started. She's ruining the enjoyment of the game for everyone but recognise she's paid up to the end of this season so persevere with her.

Would it be unreasonable to start a new team without her in it next season/ask her to leave? And if so, how should we go about it? Football

OP posts:
LighthouseSouth · 16/08/2018 23:48

Torn, if you're talking about an okay player among better players, sure. But OP says this player can't catch!

Sparklesocks · 16/08/2018 23:52

Ouch. Is it just something you do as a hobby that anyone can sign up to?
You aren't suddenly going to be representing your country in competitions if you ditch her, but you do run the risk of looking like a bit nasty.

scatteredglitter · 16/08/2018 23:54

Help her improve

TornFromTheInside · 17/08/2018 00:01

If they can't catch, then I'm assuming they lost every game in their league. And if she really can't catch, surely to goodness she'd know this?

I suspect she's not the best catcher, and not to the desired standard that the other women would like - which is a different matter.

I just think it's a group of strangers coming together to enjoy a sport. They've gone a full season and enjoyed it enough to sign up again, and now she's not really good enough. They should have discusses this at the end of the last season - that would have been a nice cutoff point to sit around a table and discuss what they wanted for the next season.

I still think if you're going to axe the weakest link, which is an option, you have to stick by that, and look to axe the next weakest link, otherwise you are creating a line in the sand where one weak link is 'too weak' and has to go, but the next weak link isn't too weak - and where is THAT line drawn?
If you say we're all at a similar level, but one is too dissimilar, where is that distinction made? I am sure they wouldn't ditch a player who was much better.
It's very awkward, I accept that, but if you're playing for fun, I think they should keep her. If they playing for serious sport, then fine, ditch her, but stand by the serious nature and ditch the next player too... it's one or the other for me.

sandgrown · 17/08/2018 00:15

I ran an adult netball team for years (a totally thankless task) We started our own team because of the bitchyness we encountered in one of the more successful teams. We tried to give everybody a chance to play. How can you drop someone who turns up every week in all weathers.
As an oldie I would like to join a walking netball team but won't because it is run by the same power crazy group that run the local league!

BackforGood · 17/08/2018 00:34

Pleas come back and tell us more about your Team OP.
Do you have trials ?
Have you got dozens of people competing for each place on the team?
Are there more people wanting to play than can reasonably fit into a training session ?
Are you playing in a really high level league ?
Does your league have lower divisions with teams who might be more friendly, and supportive ?

crazycatgal · 17/08/2018 00:48

This is really mean and the reason why I didn't like playing team sports during PE at school. There were always those girls who took things really seriously and bitched if you didn't catch the ball. Have you not grown out of that?

ViserionTheDragon · 17/08/2018 01:04

That's just mean.

quizqueen · 17/08/2018 01:06

If you're in a league and there's more than 7 of you at practices then surely you just pick your strongest players for the matches. It doesn't mean that more people can't come and practise though, does it? Another great player turns up and you might be out!

RedNed · 17/08/2018 01:17

Can you not do a team shuffle and move her to WA or GA? It would be pretty mean if it's a hobby team to leave her out.

MrGHardy · 17/08/2018 01:21

"If you're entering the World Cup, fine. Otherwise, just let her enjoy her hobby without making her feel shit."

But currently the girl in question is making everyone else feel like shit, is she not.

playftseforme · 17/08/2018 01:28

Are you playing in a graded competition? I'm used to both club netball, where each player is graded each year, then put into a team that plays in a similarly graded division, and casual netball where we put a team of friends together and play in only a roughly graded competition for fun. It sounds like you should move to the more formal 'graded' arrangement if the informal one isn't working out. Both situations are good fun, as long as you know what you're getting into.

TornFromTheInside · 17/08/2018 01:39

But currently the girl in question is making everyone else feel like shit, is she not.

No, she's being made to feel like shit.
They are the ones considering making a decision. They are the ones controlling the outcome. If they want to end it, they can. It's in their self-appointed hands.

The other woman? not so much. She's just having her crap skills laid bare on the internet and the future of a recreational (not professional) sport decided on the internet.

There's only one lady getting the shit end of the stick.

Actually, I'd go so far as to the rest of the team need to grow some balls and drop her from the team, instead of debating it on the internet. If it's that unpleasant for them all, that 'ruinous' to their enjoyment, then stand up and be counted and tell her.

MrGHardy · 17/08/2018 01:46

It's a pretty shit thing to have to pretend to not notice someone being bad as well as losing out your enjoyment of the sport.

Used to play table tennis at uni. As boring as it was for me to play against the bad players it was for the good players to play me. We ended up mostly having people move and down tables depending on win/loss and you ended up playing the same 2-4 people that were at your level and it was so much better. In fact, after I left uni I joined a local club and left after a few weeks, because I was way too bad.

But you are right, they should ask her to leave. But OP wasn't sure and she felt bad for doing it, nothing wrong with that. No names mentioned, this girl isn't embarrassed on the internet as you put it.

TornFromTheInside · 17/08/2018 01:54

I think it's a bit late after renewing for the season to kick her out.
Should have been done at the end of the last one. They've clearly managed a full season with her.

Supposedly she can't catch. I suspect she's not as good at catching as the others would like.
I stand by the statement that they need to decide what they are in it for. If it's for fun, she stays. If it's to seriously compete, then she goes, and continue to live by that with the next weakest player and so forth.

No, the lady in question 'probably' doesn't know she's being discussed on the net, but I'm not sure that's much consolation. She still is. Total strangers to the team (us) are being consulted before she is. I can't help but feel that's the sort of team she's in.

TheStoic · 17/08/2018 02:08

No you can't kick her out, but I ABSOLUTELY understand how frustrating it is for the rest of the team.

Anyway, your improved enjoyment of the game would probably be outweighed by the guilt you'd feel at making someone else feel like shit.

KeepServingTheDrinks · 17/08/2018 02:09

BOO to all those who've said things along the lines of the post below. Lots of you have said it, but I've copied n pasted Seniorcitizen1's post because it does it so succinctly:
You should let her train but not play - as organised league then the need of the team to win takes precedence over her being upset, she’s an adult and will get over it.

Seriously a Biscuit to everyone who's said anything on that theme from me. What a horrible attitude! What the fuck does it REALLY matter? Of COURSE it's nice to win. But does it REALLY matter? Of course it doesn't.

Also, (as I know, because DD has been playing netball for 9 years now), a newly formed team often loses. Week after week. It IS depressing (try being the parent standing on the sidelines, in the pissing cold, trying desperately to find something encouraging to say after YET ANOTHER week of 22 - 8). But then, when you've played together for a while, it starts turning round. It just DOES. Maybe there's another team coming along which is newly formed with a crap player? Who knows. It just does start improving.

Netball (in particular) is a TEAM sport. There was 1 week when DD had to "play up" (with a higher league team which - due to her age, etc) she should have been playing in, but she wasn't. She had a year in a lower league team than she should have been in (a thread in itself, for me). She was initially really excited, but then shit scared. And I said to her, "DD, this is a TEAM sport. If the score ends up being 99 - 0, it absolutely CAN NOT be totally your fault, because each player has their own responsibility, so EVEN if you fuck up completely, in can NOT be just down to you.

PortiaCastis I totally agree with you - Lonely folk are advised to get out meet people join a club play a sport and this is the sort of thing that stops them.
I'm not lonely, but I am a bigger lady, and I hesitate from joining groups because of how I look and how fit I therefore am. Being "benched" for being fat would destroy me. Hence, I don't play netball or any team sport. Instead, I go to exercise classes, where it's just an individual thing and I don't bother or upset anyone with how rubbish I am!

Witchend, I do (however), "get" what you're saying. But I would point out that you're talking about tennis which is either 1 on 1 or 2 on 2. NETBALL has 7 players on the pitch, and they all have different roles. So if, (for example) your goal keeper is shit, and lets every ball in; you can still win the game if you have a fantastic shooter who never misses, particularly if you have a good attack side (to get the ball up to the shooter) and a good defence side (who stop the ball getting down to their shooter). Also, there are 2 goal keepers and shooters on each team.
So although I DO get your post, i'd politely point out it doesn't really apply to netball.

I find the OP mean, and I absolutely say I think she is U.

Also, I notice OP hasn't been back for a while.... ??? Maybe she's off, conquering the world at netball!

drastard · 17/08/2018 02:12

""I hate to say this but netball is one of the bitchiest sports I've been involved with."

I agree. What is it that's particular about netball compared to most other sports?

KeepServingTheDrinks · 17/08/2018 02:17

drastard because it's only females???

But it doesn't HAVE to be that way: there's a choice!

Cantbelieveit101 · 17/08/2018 02:19

I coach a netball team and I find this type of thinking/behaviour disgusting.

I have two players that are definitely weaker than the rest of the team, so I make them my focus at training.

Think about how she would feel if she found out she was excluded. Maybe this is the one thing she does for herself all week and she loves the camaraderie.

A lot of people have no self confidence, she would know she is the weakest but she still turns up.

That takes guts!

SalemBlackCat · 17/08/2018 02:29

If it is for high level national/international competition, you are not being unreasonable. If if it is just a community meetup town team for keeping active, friendship and hobby I think you would be being unreasonable. If you are not competing, then why would it matter how good anyone is?

NadiaLeon · 17/08/2018 02:37

You should have to sacrifice all of your enjoyments just so she can stay in the team. Don't let her renew her subs and tell you're going up a division next year. She will know she's shit and would enjoy a poorer team. Know likes being the worst at something.

TornFromTheInside · 17/08/2018 02:42

Or you can say 'you're one of us, you drop it? we pick it up'.
You can massage your own egos and feel good in sport, or you can massage the ego of a lady who probably really does need it and feel good about that.

I know what I'd do.

midgesummer · 17/08/2018 02:42

I'm not a fan of competitive sports and this sort of thing is why I am not.

drastard · 17/08/2018 02:47

@KeepServingTheDrinks

It could be different and I've noticed that it usually is in male or mixed sports.

The issue with netball is toxic femininity.