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To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 14:59

Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

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Slarti · 01/08/2018 15:06

One of the longest anti semitism campaigners in politics, organised and attended many protests and marches with Jews against anti semitism dating back decades. Are you sure you're judging him on his actions OP?

Saw a poll today that indicated that antisemitism was more prevalent amongst tories than Labour or even the public in general. What are you doing to challenge that?

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:07

I expect more from Labour than the Tories. And when has he ever protested against anti semitism?

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TheWizardofWas · 01/08/2018 15:09

when he attended Cable St memorials and countless other examples...Have you ever protested OP?

Slarti · 01/08/2018 15:15

I expect more from Labour than the Tories.

Why on earth is antisemitism from the tories, which is even more prevalent than the general population, acceptable? Either you think it's wrong or you don't OP.

And when has he ever protested against anti semitism?

So you didn't even check if what you were posting was a load of bollocks before you posted it? Hmm

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:15

Cable Street memorials are about the battle of Cable Street, so fighting against fascists. It is not a memorial specifically about anti semitism. And it is exactly the kind of thing I would expect Corbyn to attend.
And I am an activist who has organised demos as well as been on them.

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:16

slarti Nice bit of dismissal there. I am not aware of anytime ever he has specifically protested against anti semitism.

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Slarti · 01/08/2018 15:23

Dismissal? Erm, I pointed out that antisemitism was more prevalent amongst tories than either Labour or the general population and you completely dismissed it!

Corbyn was one of the organisers of the battle of wood green which led to the foundation of the anti Nazi league. What have you done OP?

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:35

The Battle of Green Wood was about opposing a National Front march. It was very much part of the fight against racism and fascism. It was NOT specifically about anti semitism. And this is the usual rubbish said when anyone raises the issue of anti semitism.

Corbyn has a long history of supporting the traditional left wing causes. So I would have been very surprised if he hadn't been involved in opposing National Front marches and meetings. Everyone on the left who was active was involved in those things.

BUT it is not actions to tackle anti semitism.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2018 15:39

Yawn. Smearing campaign by the establishment terrified of social democracy.

yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/05/european-attitudes-minorities/

Gottagetmoving · 01/08/2018 15:42

He isn't anti Semitic. He's opposed to the actions of the State of Israel. I'm sick of hearing the ignorant slurs and accusations.
Tories make racist remarks and they are termed 'gaffes' Boris Johnson is known for it....but he is a jolly funny chap isn't he? so that's ok...

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:43

It is that attitude that leaves people like me with no party to vote for. I am hardly the establishment.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2018 15:45

It is that attitude that leaves people like me with no party to vote for. I am hardly the establishment.

Then you should know that the accusations are bollocks.

skwawkbox.org/2018/07/31/corbyns-voting-record-shows-latest-murdoch-press-smear-more-desperate-than-ever/

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:46

Boris Johnson is a racist misogynist who is incredibly ambitious. What he says are not gaffes. Can't stand the man.
But I want Labour to address the anti semitism and for Corbyn's action to show that. I don't actually think he is anti semitic, I think he just doesn't care about anti semitism. And is more interested in working with allies who are anti semitic, than in tackling anti semitism.
But sure as long as the denial goes on that this is an issue, the anti semitism accusations will remain.

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JaneJeffer · 01/08/2018 15:48

He isn't anti Semitic. He's opposed to the actions of the State of Israel. Correct. But anyone who's opposed to what's going on in Israel will be unfairly accused of being anti Semitic.

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 15:49

Bollocks. The issue isn't about Israel but about who he keeps company with

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Slarti · 01/08/2018 15:50

But I want Labour to address the anti semitism

Labour are less antisemitic than the general population and than the Tories by a long margin. I'm not convinced you're bothered by antisemitism op, since you're fine with it from the tories. You're just anti Labour.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2018 15:53

The issue isn't about Israel but about who he keeps company with

Like who?

Bombardier25966 · 01/08/2018 15:59

Who is it that you're objecting to him associating with this week crunchymint?

The Jewish Holocaust Survivor at an event eight years ago? His comments were not anti semitic.

Peter Willsman? I wouldn't have phrased it the same way, but he does make a valid point. Not anti semitic.

This has escalated from a limited issue that did need to be dealt with more effectively, to an outright witch hunt.

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crunchymint · 01/08/2018 16:03

Frank You think I don't realise that a lot of the Tory party are racist? Is water wet?

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2018 16:07

You think I don't realise that a lot of the Tory party are racist? Is water wet?

Oh right, so they get a free pass? Why is there no outrage in the press over this? Is it because the people shouting about antisemitism don't give a shit about bigotry - they simply feign it to character assinante individuals for political ends?

Bombardier25966 · 01/08/2018 16:08

You think I don't realise that a lot of the Tory party are racist? Is water wet?

Yet you're not starting threads about the Tories, or calling out the press for concealing the issue and wholly imbalanced reporting?

TolpuddleFarterOATB · 01/08/2018 16:09

The people not taking anti-Semitism in the Labour party seriously are part of the problem. Not everything is a conspiracy against Corbyn.

He really has not been strong enough in his condemnation of anti-Semitism. And why won't the Labour party adopt the internationally recognised IHRA definition of anti-Semitism?

Justanotherlurker · 01/08/2018 16:09

Corbyn internet defence force all over this I see

Fact is that however you dress it up the guy is an anti Semite at worst and an enabler at best. Not fit to be anywhere near the leadership of a major party, let alone the country

Also very clear now why he can’t bend on the IHRA definitions/examples. The minute he agrees to them his past makes him guilty of anti Semitism by the official party definition

I think the problem with the Anti-Zionist movement is that they are too quick to invoke Godwin's Law into any argument they form. It isn't valid criticism of Israel when you froth at the face and screech "u aRe tHe nAzIs" and it completely invalidates any argument you had. Israel is a nation state and you can criticise nation states for their actions. Whether that's Israel, Japan or Tonga, it's fine. Comparing them to Nazis isn't really fair at all and does nothing but attempt to turn Israel into an international pariah of subhumans, something that the Jewish people have experienced many times before.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 01/08/2018 16:11

He really has not been strong enough in his condemnation of anti-Semitism

If you read the EDM's in the link I provided above you'd see this isn't true.

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