To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

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Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

more dignified than those that continue to shout, despite having long lost sight of whatever they were shouting about in the first place.

Who exactly are you referring to? The Jewish community? Jewish MPs? The representatives if the Jewish community?

Didn't think Judaism was a race since about 1945. Of course he is not anti Semitic, but like many decent people is not happy with many Israeli policies
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Some people believe everything that the press and social media tell them.

Happy to believe Corbyn is anti semitic if someone actually provides some credible evidence rather than just "well so and so said he is".
What specifically has he done that is anti semitic?

Jewish MP's, such as Luciana Berger, are being harassed and bullied by Momentum supporters.
Anti Semitism is on the rise in Europe and the U.K.; holocaust denial and anti Zionist conspiracies are all over the internet and becoming quite normalised.
Momentum appear to be the guiding light in the Labour Party so I'm not surprised Jewish people are increasingly uncomfortable in the party.

but like many decent people is not happy with many Israeli policies

What exactly do you mean by 'decent people'

Not sure linking to the very bias Skwakbox helps anyone.

Are you saying those EDM's listed aren't true?

Skwawkbox would claim that up is down and left is right if it would help their holy Trot messiah!

Critisism of Israel is not the same as anti-Semitism. Treatment of Palestinians aside, they've just passed what are effectively apartheid laws pertaining to citizens within Israel itself.

I'm not a momentum bot in the slightest, or particularly a mad Corbyn fan and a floating Labour voter at best, and even I can recognise the very concerted effort to smear him right when the Tory party approval ratings are dropping.

And the event he attended that compared Israel to the Nazis? The comparison was made by a Jewish Holocaust survivor. I never thought I'd see the day when a Holocaust survivor was smeared as an anti-Semite, but these are unusual times.

Anti Semitism is on the rise in Europe and the U.K.; holocaust denial and anti Zionist conspiracies are all over the internet and becoming quite normalised.

The far right are on the rise throughout Europe. Yet the people who shout about anti semitism (which is low in the UK) do not seem to want to talk about Islamophobia or other forms of bigotry. You cannot be selective in your moral outrage, it makes one look disingenuous.

Read this twitter account if you think Corbyn has never ignored others anti Semitism.
twitter.com/GnasherJew

Bombadier

Do you don’t apologise then? At least Corbyn did.

The momentum bots are out again.

Wish you would all fuck off and leave labour alone. Can’t you form your own nasty racist intolerant women hating party??

Skwawkbox would claim that up is down and left is right if it would help their holy Trot messiah!

but the posters who seem to get their info from the Daily Mail (how was their editorial stance in the 1930's BTW?) don't want to acknowledge the EDM's contained within Skwawkbox that show Corbyn's support for Jews in Britain.

Frank Wrong. I challenge and fight against all racism.

@GhostofFrankGrimes you seem particularly concerned with Corbyn's voting record. His votes don't always reflect his beliefs - remember when he issued a three line whip forcing his MPs to vote Remain? This from a man who is a life long euroskeptic? Who has said surprisingly little about Brexit?

The evidence has been building up day by day, its now overwhelming. Jeremy Corbyn is a bigoted antisemite and should step down from his position.

Anyway can’t be arsed to engage with racists and racist apologists.

Op you are 100% right and it’s a dark time for our party.

Off now as this will just get ridiculous as some posters simply endlessly link and never answer questions or debate.

It’s frankly boring.

I challenge and fight against all racism.

Good, you can perhaps start a thread on this;

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/social-affairs/discrimination/news/96807/tory-mp-michael-fabricant-accused-islamophobia-over

Even though you seem to brush off Tory bigotry;

I expect more from Labour than the Tories

omg, I love you guys.

Seriously, I've sat in deepening depression watching this bloody witch hunt get nastier and more personal and can't understand why there are no discussed counterpoints to the narrative we've been spoonfed by the media - that Corbyn's antisemitic.

What is happening in Israel right now is nothing short of religious genocide. Adopting the IHRA's definitions as they stand would mean that any criticism of Zionism is labelled antisemitic.

Comparing anyone to the Nazis is so played out, I'm surprised it's even still a thing on the internet any more. But the thing is - what if the stuff happening in Israel does bear similarities? What if the same things start happening to the Palestinians? If we adopt the IHRA definition, it doesn't matter because none of us will be allowed to discuss or debate it without having an opinion discounted as antisemitic.

We make a big thing about being able to exercise free speech in this country but those guidelines take a big chunk of that away from us, or puts anyone questioning it in an indefensible position of being antisemitic.

Also - fwiw - there are lots of stories of Jewish Israeli's standing up against about what's happening in Palestine - things like criticising the latest legislation that gives Jewish citizens more rights than non Jewish Israelis. So the IHRA definitions mean that those Jewish people - orthodox, religious jews - are antisemitic for criticising the state of Israel or for comparing religious genocide to something their own relatives were persecuted for.

It's insane. Nothing should be off the table in terms of debate or discussion - that's how we get dictators.

To see people here arguing for Palestine or questioning the "accepted" definition of antisemitism is awesome :)
@Bombardier25966 @GhostofFrankGrimes @TheWizardofWas @JaneJeffer @Gottagetmoving @Slarti - you guys rock!

@op - you've clearly come in with your own agenda that you wanted to push - I don't want to be contentious but I'll just leave this link here as an opposing point of view:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/31/palestinians-in-the-uk-speak-out-for-the-right-to-freedom-of-speech

No bots here but I can see the faux disgruntled ex Labour supporters are in.

Yet the people who shout about anti semitism (which is low in the UK) do not seem to want to talk about Islamophobia or other forms of bigotry. You cannot be selective in your moral outrage, it makes one look disingenuous.

I have talked about other bigotry including marching and reported Islamophobia to the police in the past.

However Jewish people are telling you of anti semitism, which Labour have admitted is an issue, yet the first thing people shout is smear and conspiracy theories. The irony is strong.

Frank I will see if the Tory party deal with it first.

Frank You don't want to believe we are real? Fine. This will bite Labour at the elections.

@Walkingdeadfangirl

The evidence has been building up day by day, its now overwhelming. Jeremy Corbyn is a bigoted antisemite and should step down from his position.

Do you understand the criteria used to define Corbyn as antisemitic? Do you agree with it in its entirety? If so, do you agree that we shouldn't criticise a state that persecutes some of its citizens because of their religion?

Thank you *Deadherring" the anti Corbyn-turn-a-blind-eye-to-real hatred threads are sadly ten a penny here.

On the day Tommy Robinson is released, when islamophobia is rife, brexit induced xenophobia, the murder of a refugee supporting Labour MP still fresh in the mind lets attack a man who has spent his life campaigning against hate. Horrid.

Fine dismiss it. Denying a fact won't help the party though.