To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

[crunchymint]

Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

Frank I will see if the Tory party deal with it first.

Hahaha. How many free passes do the Tories get?

@maxthemartian

And the event he attended that compared Israel to the Nazis? The comparison was made by a Jewish Holocaust survivor. I never thought I'd see the day when a Holocaust survivor was smeared as an anti-Semite, but these are unusual times.

^This. So much Still waiting for a decent response to this point which appears to be missing from lots of newspaper's reporting of the situation.

@crunchymint
Fine dismiss it. Denying a fact won't help the party though.

What, no counter-argument? Isn't dismissing it and denying a fact exactly what you've just done in your last comment?

Being against the policies of the state of Israel, isnt anti Semite.

But of course its a handy diversion from the Governments obvious problems at the moment.

Labour isn't responsible for random internet trolls posting hate speech.

However, the Board of Deputies of British Jews has been silent of anti Semite rhetoric within the Tory party and Jewish Voice for Labour have supported Corbyn and the criticised the board, esp for their silence on the rise of the far right globally, something far more worrying than Labour/Corbyn.

Its not as clear cut as 'lurker would have us all believe.

You think someone Jewish can't say anything anti Semitic?
And I have given you links and examples of anti Semitism. Your response - what about Islamophobia? What about the Tories?

Random internet trolls? What like Labour Councillors and MPs?

You think someone Jewish can't say anything anti Semitic?

Wait, what? A Holocaust survivor - you know, someone who was in a concentration camp,. someone who had family members killed by the Nazi's, someone who's been branded and processed and subjected to forced labour and nearly died at the hands of the Nazi's..

So you think that a person comparing what's happening in Israel with their own personal experience of the holocaust is being antisemitic? You don't think they might want their experience to guide their descendants to become better?

Good grief.

My response is that Corbyn has shown his support of British Jews as well as support for other minority groups. He has also shown support for global injustices - including Palestine. This is were the problem lies - the powerful Pro Israel lobby do not like this. Hence the campaign against JC - also useful for the right wing press who fear an anti capitalist government.

Discrimination against minority groups is rife in the UK but the media spend a disporporante amount of reporting on antisemintism (which is low in the UK) and say very little about allegations against other politicians/parties.

The press previously tried to smear Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser because he met Sinn Fein Mp's despite the fact consecutive British governments met with the IRA as far back as 1972 onwards

He's not anti semitic, it's an obvious, long and incredibly boring (not for him obv) smear campaign orchestrated by those in his own party who don't like the direction Labour are headed.
Nothing new here.
So sick of this bs in the news every day.

I think there is no way Corbyn considers anti semitism to be as serious or wrong as other forms of racism, which is initself an antisemetic viewpoint. It's a shame, I had high hopes for him but have been very disappointed with his handling of this. I don't doubt that the media have latched onto it as a way to undermine him but his lack of decisive action has helped the media in their task.

Why do you think there is little anti Semitism in the UK? What do you base that on?

Pencil, it is not as you describe, for me anyway. I fully supported the direction Labour were/are going in, but his handling of the anti semitism issue has been a big let down. It's very disappointing.

yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/05/european-attitudes-minorities/

This thread is hilarious! The right-wing trolls are tying themselves in knots in their attempts to twist reality.

"Corbyn may say he opposes anti-semitism, but it's not what he means."
"OK, he campaigns and goes on marches, but really he feels the opposite."
"Alright, he might have voted that way, but he probably wants to vote the other way really."

Jeremy Corbyn must be the worst anti-semite ever! He has spent the last 40 years covering up his anti-semetism by speaking out against it, campaigning against it, and voting against it.

Meanwhile, all these people outraged at this so-called anti-semetism are absolutely fine with the Tories higher levels of anti-semetism (not to mention their rampant Islamophobia) and choose to criticise Labour instead. Not politically motivated though, honest.

I struggle with the Tories getting a free pass on this and their islamaphobia. God help us Barroness Warsi (?) laid it bare - she really was brave, but still no mention even with the rise in hate crime. No I don't think he is, but neither is he a game player.

He's a disaster. A real disaster.

The Torys are not my party and will never represent me. I am disgusted by many of them, but I don't feel let down by them as I do by Corbyn because I voted for Corbyn and he is not representing me as I had hoped he would.
No one can sensibly argue that he takes anti semitism seriously, he obviously doesn't and even as a supporter of his I am losing faith rapidly.

Crunchy, you are just jumping on the anti Corbyn movement, which is terrified he ll win the next GE.

By dressing it up as "oh he isnt anti-semite, its just who he hangs about with..." you hope to give your criticisms some legitimacy.

I'm not even pro Corbyn (far from it, i wish he d stand aside) but i ve never heard him say anything anti Semitic and i do believe the small amount of anti-semites in the Labour party, are being used to try and trash Corbyn, just as the MSM tried and failed to trash him over his IRA contacts.

You cannot expect to be taken seriously when you only focus on one party leader and ignore all the others with "i expect more from labour"

Anti semitism exists in society and hence across all walks of life, inc politics, ALL politicians need to deal with the issues, not just JC.

Frank Yes negative attitudes towards Muslim people and Roma people are far more prevalent amongst the general population.
But according to the you gov poll do you also think there is little racism against black people given that only 8% of the population expressed negative views about black people? (7% for Jewish people). Or is this maybe simply showing the limitations of this kind of poll?

You see op. It’s pointless. You can’t argue with the blind stupidity of momentum.

I don’t call Corbyn labour he isn’t. He’s not fit to wipe the boots of people like john Smith and Neil Kinnock.

This will engulf labour just when they should be soaring in the polls with the Tories in totally. Disarray.

Hopefully the best outcome is he’s ousted as labour dives in the polls so we get a credible electable leader but with the party members infiltrated by momentum I don’t hold my breath.

Only totally election wipe out will get this idiot to piss off.

Sadly for those in the country who need labour most.

Anyway really off now.

The far right were on the streets of London the other week abusing a Muslim bus driver, giving nazi salutes and assaulting police officers.

metro.co.uk/2018/07/16/free-tommy-fans-harass-muslim-bus-driver-7719882/

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/14/far-right-nazi-tommy-robinson-racist-movements-donald-trump

Tommy Robinson was released today. Some people need to get their priorities right. I know where the real threat to our civiilised society lies.

Here's an example of obvious a-s. Raed Salah come into the country - has a history of a-s speech, including the idea that the Jews bake Christian bloood into their Passover food. So what did JC do?

1. tell Salah that he never wants to have anything to do with an obvious racist; or
2. invite Salah for tea in the House of Commons?

Funnily enough I can be scared in the rise of the far right and TR et al and the rise of anti semitism.

Not listening to the concerns of Jews and shouting us down is not a good look. Would you do that with other minorities?

Labour isn't responsible for random internet trolls posting hate speech.

Labour councillors, not randoms

reaction.life/labour-party-institutionally-anti-semitic/

order-order.com/2018/07/31/compare-contrast-labour-dealt-hodge-austin-willsman/

there are lots of reports that show JC has a long history of accepting anti Semitic abuse in groups he supported.

There is no way I could ever vote for Labour while they continue to accept such behaviour.

OP YANBU I don't know Jeremy Corbyn, in fact he's curiously absent in a lot of the recent discussions, debates, suggestions on how to tackle anti-Semitism in the party. Whatever JC's personal attitude he seems to have done/be doing very little that is substantive to tackle anti-Semitism in the Labour party. I understand that even the basic recommendations by Shami Chakrabarti have not yet been fully implemented.

Why is Jeremy Corbyn not actively condemning the behaviour of Peter Willsman? Why instead is he actively pursuing Margaret Hodge (when even John McDonnell advises letting action against her be dialled down) as well as not intervening in the hounding of Ian Austin?

Instead Jeremy Corbyn comes out with rather bland statements against anti-Semitism but doesn't fully seem to understand the many forms anti-Semitism may take. He's not a terribly sophisticated thinker so that may be the problem. But so far I'm unconvinced he has the political will to take on board what the problems are and deal with them.

And it's all very well saying other parties are worse, that's not the point for those of us who vote not for the least bad option but for the one that best represents our values and goals.