To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

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Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

Tommy Robinson was released today. Some people need to get their priorities right. I know where the real threat to our civiilised society lies.

I suggest you read up as to why he was released instead of insinuating we are turning into some uncivilised society

thesecretbarrister.com/2018/08/01/the-tommy-robinson-judgment-what-does-it-all-mean/

Not listening to the concerns of Jews and shouting us down is not a good look. Would you do that with other minorities?

I belong to a minority group, one that was particularly vilified and discriminated against in the 1970' and 80's by sections of the media, the general public and the far right.

I can tell the difference between genuine discrimination and an orchestrated smear campaign.

I suggest you read up as to why he was released instead of insinuating we are turning into some uncivilised society

And I suggest you look at the bigger picture as to what Tommy Robinson and his supporters stand for and the values they hold.

I think it's a smear from the right wing to discredit Labour. It isn't anti-Semitism to be opposed to the oppression of Palestinian people.

That said, Corbyn isn't very vocal in sorting it all out or in calling out the shambles that is the Tory party at the moment. I'm disappointed in him because the Left need a strong leader and he seems to be largely silent. I was hoping he'd be a Bernie Saunders type who I could get behind. He seems to be more like a committee member on a parish socialist club. Probably good at making jam for the fund raisers and turning up to demos. I like him but for all his Glastonbury chanting fans he's not a strong enough figurehead. Trouble is I don't know who is.

All the Corbyn defenders have is whataboutery. Anything to avoid having to face the reality of the company their leader keeps. Just imagine what these hypocrites would be saying if May or any other party leader had done the same thing!

And I suggest you look at the bigger picture as to what Tommy Robinson and his supporters stand for and the values they hold.

So you brush it aside and move the goalposts, didn't expect a corbynite to use critical thinking when it goes against the narrative will ignore you all over the brexit threads

Just imagine what these hypocrites would be saying if May or any other party leader had done the same thing!

and yet its the Corbyn bashers who don't want to talk about anything other than a-s.

Just ignore the 'Tommy Robinson' derails. Deflecting attention from the topic under discussion simply demonstrates that those doing so have no clear or cogent arguments to present.

So you brush it aside and move the goalposts, didn't expect a corbynite to use critical thinking when it goes against the narrative

The thread is about racism/bigotry not about the technicalities of a legal case. Perhaps you don't want to talk about Robinson and his supporters?

Deflecting attention from the topic under discussion simply demonstrates that those doing so have no clear or cogent arguments to present.

or perhaps people are selective in their reading.

and yet its the Corbyn bashers who don't want to talk about anything other than a-s.

Maybe because since the whole core of the far left is its extreme moral self-righteousness, it's especially shocking to find it riddled with virulent hatred of vulnerable minorities? Just a thought.

Apologists for racists you are

If we don't agree he is racist, we are not apologists for racists.
If you can't see there are knives out for Corbyn from people who don't want him in power you are nuts!

The thread is about racism/bigotry not about the technicalities of a legal case. Perhaps you don't want to talk about Robinson and his supporters

Well if that's the case why not talk about the persecution of the Rohingyas or about the 'racism' embedded in Trump's immigration policies? Hang on, I know why we're not talking about those things it's because this is a thread about Jeremy Corbyn's stance on anti-Semitism, how it is/isn't being tackled in the Labour Party and how that might impact on people's views of Jeremy Corbyn as the leader of that party!

Those on the thread desperate to talk about Tommy Robinson do have an alternative. Set up a thread on that instead.

Gottagetmoving, I agree with you.

While there are perhaps some incidents of anti-Semitism within the labour party that could arguably have been dealt with better, the level of outrage poured out by the mainstream press has far more to do with wanting to smear JC than it has with genuinely wanting to fight anti-Semitism.

The nature of contemporary politics is to be vulnerable to slurs, the issue is how they are responded to. So far Jeremy Corbyn is silent, and in a potential future leader that's disturbing.

I think it's a smear from the right wing to discredit Labour. It isn't anti-Semitism to be opposed to the oppression of Palestinian people.

I think there is a lot of attention put on it by the right for sure, but considering JC himself said they have a problem with antisemitism in the party and not really done anything about it. the right are jumping on every councillors tweets and raking through emails.

the IHRA definition seems sensible enough to me. It doesn't say 'don't criticise Israel, that's antisemitic' - and just look in the Jewish Chronicle for their criticism of what Netanyahu has just done.

I also have no idea if Corbyn is an anti-semite or just not bothered, although my guess is the latter. Bluntly there are under 300,000 Jews in the UK and pissing them off is much less important than pissing off other groups. There are only a couple of Labour-held seats where there are sufficient Jews to make any chance of a difference, and one of them is Diane Abbott's ultra-safe one. Even if all the Jews there voted elsewhere she would still be in place.

BTW Egypt also causes problems for Gaza. No-one bothered, Egypt not a Jewish state.

No it is a real issue. But of course those on the right have ceased on this. They are going to cease on anything Corbyn does wrong.
I suspect Corbyn is a bit thick and pretty weak so does not know how to actually respond to issues like this.

I find it interesting that some of the left on here have adopted former national front talking points. John tyndall would be so confused if he was still around.

National Front talking points?

Jewish people are telling you of anti semitism

Some Jewish people are. Other Jewish people disagree. Strangely enough a huge number of the ones claiming JC is antisemitic have ties to the Tories, the Daily Mail, and other right wing organisations. Funny that. Must be a coincidence.

Wondering if he's ever going to apologise for sharing a stage (and views) of the IRA....

Corbyn is welcome to criticise the Israeli govt, of course, as is everyone else, but he does seem to spend a lot of time with people who really hate Israel. He seems to spend very little time criticising Iran, Venezuela and Cuba, to take obvious examples, even though these are countries with far worse human rights records than the Israelis. Given that Corbyn is an enthusiastic supporter of free trade unions, gay rights, etc, some find it odd that he is so attracted to regimes that persecute trade unionists and gays.