To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

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Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

It's standard practice for the political establishment to apply this tactic to anyone they see as a popular threat, ie someone who would upturn the apple cart given half the chance and is seen as authentic by voters.

Im speaking in completely cold terms here so setting aside political allegiances: You see the same methods applied across Europe and the US he will be extremist, he will be racist, he will be in league with the Russians. If he gets power you will truly see the "deep state" concept in effect - civil service inertia, nebulous never-ending inquiries into his links with country X or Y, and so on.

It doesn't matter what his political leanings are. You get an idea of who is aligned by the methods they use, and similarly you get am idea of who threatens the political status quo by the people they use them against.

Slarti - it's absolutely not the case that the Jews claiming there is andemic a-s in the labour party have ties to the Tories. It is an absolutely widespread view across the community, in my experience, and labour councillors (including the leader of the Barnet labour group) have said as much.

SamG76 don't forget those that also persecute/oppress women, although the Labour Party attitude to women's not been very impressive lately. My impression is that Jeremy Corbyn's pretty ineffectual when it comes to keeping order in the party.

Sam how do you reconcile that claim with the fact that antisemtism is less common within Labour than it is within the general population and much less common than within the Tory party?

Looks like the stupid old Trot has really shit the bed. From the Times:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-praised-release-of-hamas-terrorists-hh90cctgp

Jeremy Corbyn faces calls for an investigation by his own party after footage emerged of him praising the release of Hamas terrorists on Iranian state TV in 2012.

Appearing on the Press TV show Remember Palestine, Mr Corbyn appeared to express his support for more than 1,000 convicted terrorists, who had recently been released by Israel as part of a prisoner swap. Referring to them as brothers, he questioned whether there was a “serious case” against any of the Palestinians released. Between them, the group had been convicted of the murder of almost 600 Israelis.

Still going to defend your messiah, Corbyn fans?

Strangely enough a huge number of the ones claiming JC is antisemitic have ties to the Tories, the Daily Mail, and other right wing organisations. Funny that. Must be a coincidence.

Many many haven't as Sam has said. An inconvenient truth hey.

Guess numerous Labour Jewish MP and council members that have spoken out are all Tories too.

Also J McDonnell has come out today and said there is an issue, OJ has said there is an issue as have other Labour commentators.

Slarti - it depends how you define a-s, of course, but the difference is how the community is affected. There may be loads of Tories who don't like Jews very much, but it is not a central part of their identity, they are not generally spreading it on social media, and if they did the leadership would crack down on them. By contrast, having conspiratorial ideas about Israel (which happens to be full of Jews), banks (often supposedly Jewish-owned) and the media (also apparently controlled by the Jews) is a badge of honour for many corbynistas.

Any amount of antisemetism is an issue, but the fact remains that Labour have less of an issue than the Tories and society in general. Faced with those facts it's absolutely crystal clear that to only focus on Labour and Jeremy Corbyn is politically motivated. You can't claim to be against something but only when it involves a certain politician and expect to be taken seriously.

SillySally absolutely and if even the stalwart Owen is caving, it's clear that there is a problem. But still no word from Jeremy?

user1471 etc - you ought to expand your social circle....

So Slarti the slogan is 'Vote Labour, not quite as racist as the other guys'?

Sam can't you see that you are having your own "conspiratorial ideas" about Labour supporters? You think we support Labour because we all hate Jews and it's "part of our identity"? I mean, seriously??? I support Labour because I'm working class and the Tories never have nor ever will look after my interests. The only time I ever discuss Jewish people or antisemetism is on batshit threads like these, but thanks for telling me what I - and every other Labour supporter - are really thinking.

I do not think Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic. However his lack of action against those in the Labour Party who have made anti-semitic remarks and the party's refusal to simply adopt a definition of anti-semitism used by amongst others, the UK government, makes him unfit to lead the party in my view.

I will have worse council services for at least four years as a result, as I live in the borough of Barnet, which but for the Labour Party's inaction against anti-semitic remarks, would be a hung council or Labour run.

simply adopt a definition of anti-semitism used by amongst others, the UK government

The Tory government aren't exactly bastions of justice and equality are they now?

"The UK Jewish community has adopted in full the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance Definition of Antisemitism, as have the British government, Welsh Assembly, Scottish Parliament, 124 local authorities across the country and numerous governments around the world," they said in a joint statement. news.sky.com/story/labours-new-anti-semitism-code-of-conduct-slammed-as-toothless-11426879

The IHRA’s 31 member states are Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.
antisemitism.uk/31-nations-of-the-international-holocaust-remembrance-alliance-adopt-eumc-definition-of-antisemitism/

Ghost we'll give you some time to think up a separate form of 'slagging off' for each of the 31 countries plus Wales and Scotland, and to look up the 124 local authorities so you can slag them off too. And look forward to your pithy comments.

Why does Corbyn use the phrase "I condem violence done, by any side", when he is referring to killings by IRA terrorists or by Venezuelas President. But when it comes to the conflict between Israel and Palestine he goes straight for the Jews, “illegal and inhumane” actions by Israeli troops". hmmm

You dont have to been antisemitic to criticise policy or actions by any state, but Corbyn obviously holds a particular hatred for Jews and Israel.

I think unless he fesses up there will be an autumn revolt in the Labour party. Either MPs will start leaving en masse or momentum will start replacing them.

Its already been explained upthread why the IHRA isn't being adopted in full, another poster that reads selectively.

Ghost your response to the post by Forallthesaints was that the fact it had been adopted by the UK government didn't make it worth anything, so presumably you have a reason why none of the other adoptees are ones whose example should be followed. Now who's responding selectively?

No, using the British government as an example of adopting IHRA was misguided on a thread that questions the moral compass of a politician.
The same government behind go home vans, windrush scandal and allegations of islamophobia. Adopting IHRA does not excuse the Tories from abhorrent policies.

Seems to rather like the IRA too

Ghost there is no point in engaging with you, if you are not trying to derail, you are wilfully obfuscating.

I don’t understand why the Labour Party has changed some of the definition of anti semitism - they must realise that looks bad - even if it is not intended to.

Given the current row about antisemitism in Labour, why would want to do something that risks making that worse - which this clearly has?

Seems to rather like the IRA too

Strange given they disbanded 20 years ago. I see we've resorted the Corbyn bashing crib sheet.