...to think that if you repeatedly get your cock out in public (allegedly) you aren't fit to offer advice to government about whether women-only facilities should become mixed-sex?

[ArcheryAnnie]

OK, I know IABU in offering a Daily Fail link, but the Guardian haven't yet covered this:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6003331/Britains-official-transgender-student-officer-suspended.html

Jess Bradley was one of the very limited number of people invited to give evidence to Maria Miller's Women and Equalities Select Committee investigation, which kicked off the current proposals to change the Gender Recognition Act so that anyone who says they are a woman is legally regarded as a woman, even if they still have a penis (and a beard and anything else they like - saying "I am a woman" would literally be the only requirement). These proposed changes in the law would mean the end of women-only services and de facto mean all services, including hospital wards, changing rooms, etc, would become mixed-sex.

Jess Bradley was also until very recently a director of Action for Trans Health, an activist group whose list of batshit demands includes the immediate release of all trans prisoners.

AIBU to think that everyone in government and beyond (including the NHS) who took advice from this individual should now reassess the value of that advice?

actual facts oh my holy fuck! That’s hilarious. Someone who believes that people can change sex, using the term real facts.

Someone who believes that people can change sex

For someone who apparently can't read, you do manage to type a lot.

ShapeofEwe I haven't read the Daily Mail article - everything I've read about this situation comes from Mumsnet or twitter. I'm wondering how somebody of this character gets to a position where they are considered 'representative' of views of the trans community, and how much harm this will have done to the efforts to fight prejudice and have an open, calm conversation about where the rights of trans people and the rights of women intersect (and potentially conflict).
Also, doesn't the term 'transwoman' include trans people within the broader definition of 'women'? As it includes the word woman. It's quite an apt description of what type of woman they are.
We also perhaps should continue to include transmen within the women definition for some purposes (such as health issues - menopause, cervical cancer, pay gap perhaps?) so how do we manage that terminology...

(Derailing sorry)

Nobody is suggesting that trans people change sex.

That's exactly what TRAs are suggesting. They spend hours, days, weeks arguing this.

Nobody is suggesting that trans people change sex.

There are trans activists who claim this, actually. See also trans activists who claim biology isn’t real but, rather, is a social construct.

I think this allegation highlights precisely some of the concerns women have about the motives of (some) transwomen.
The fact that Jess has been in such a highly influential position is deeply troubling. Should the investigation prove their culpability and consequent unsuitability for their public role as an advocate for trans people, I hope they are removed from their role and someone more suitable recruited.
We need to hear all voices, especially with regard the the GRA consultation. But I would hope this serves a timely reminder that not all voices are being exercised in good faith. Someone whose hobby is voyeuristic behaviour should not be advising Government in an area which would facilitate this behaviour at the detriment of other people's dignity and safety.

ShapeofEwe
Out of interest what do you think about the ‘guidance’ given to some local authorities in Scitland regarding gender identity in schools?

I have serious concerns about it. If my child started to want to identify as male, as a parent I need to know because I need to understand what might have sparked this - ie: has something happened? The guidance suggests that as a parent I have no right to know.

If I tell the school I would like a ‘watch and wait’ strategy for thus - remember this guidance relates also to primary aged children - then I could be referred to social services. This is the guidance.

How does this support the safeguarding of children? Why does it position parents as the enemy?

I don’t care how people want to identify - be a woman, take the pay cut - but I do care about how this translates into government policy and guidance.

Yes we know sex and gender are not the same thing

And we know that woman means adult human female and female means the sex who bear offspring and produce eggs (or their body is designed to)

That is why a trans women is not a type of women but is male who presents themselves as a woman

You do realise that TRAs and their handmaidens do push the fallacy that they can change sex, don’t you? They are pushing that sex and ‘gender’ are the same. Or are you just picking out the bigs that you like?

Btw, can you explain your definition of ‘gender’? I’d be very interested in your opinion on this.

Bigs=bits

Also, a warning that MNHQ will delete posts that misgender this delightful young lady. Yes, really.

Oh, aye, right enough.

I don't think I have the language skills to be able to have a conversation about this person then. And, I know words. I have lots of words. I don't have a penis I wave about at work though

Most workplaces if you did this you would be sacked. People have been sacked for far far less on social media. And one of the photos looks to have been taken at the office desk.

Jess Bradley is actually being defended by some on Twitter. Astonishingly, getting your ladydick out is an act of defiance against the oppressive norms of society, and should be applauded. Society does not like it, because it only accepts women (and JB is a woman, remember) taking their kit off when given permission to do so. Making an independent decision to show your women's genitals (and in this case, the dick is a female organ) is to challenge this, so hurrah hurrah.

It's not an exhibitionist fetish at all. Noooooo. What a thought! We should be pleased at these acts of liberation!

Hear hear, Francis

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2018/01/24/transgender-woman-suing-ministry-justice-sending-male-prison-

Yes people sue shape

The twists and turn TRAs make, when trying to argue the rights for men to ID as women and enter women's spaces, is truly remarkable. Spending a bit of time on twitter is very revealing.

I have seen it argued that biological sex is the social construct, and that gender identity is the important thing - because "what's in your head is more important than the physical body." I have seen women's wish to retain sex-segregated spaces reduced to "baseless fears" - despite the prevalence of flashing, voyeurism, upskirting etc - always perpetrated by men.

I have seen women threatened, doxxed, ridiculed, reported to their employers - for wishing to stand up for the word "woman" to retain some sort of resemblance to it's established, biological, dictionary definition.

I have seen countless transwomen refer to their penises as "lady penises" and state that a penis can be female, because they identify as female, and therefore their penis must be female.

I have seen women's rights to privacy, safety, and dignity belittled and ridiculed - all because the Jess Bradley's of this world think that they, and their penises, should have the right to enter female spaces - no questions asked - just because they "identify" as women.

Astonishingly, getting your ladydick out is an act of defiance against the oppressive norms of society, and should be applauded. Society does not like it, because it only accepts women (and JB is a woman, remember) taking their kit off when given permission to do so. Making an independent decision to show your women's genitals (and in this case, the dick is a female organ) is to challenge this, so hurrah hurrah

Aw man, I got this so very wrong. We should all be lauding Jess for being so brave as to publicly challenge the dominant patriachal paradigm that tolerates female nudity only on it's own terms. By flashing her cock

It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking unfunny.

You need hard evidence and actual facts to support your (patently absurd) claim, I'm afraid.

Sorry but LOLZ at someone who is arguing that a biological male who gets his cock out online is for all intents and purposes a woman, saying that someone else is making a patently absurd claim.

So I guess trans-racial must also be a thing then? Despite being white, I can identify as black and be black student officer? Or would that y'know be ludicrous and offensive to black people do you think?

I love how many of those who get really riled up about self-identification are willing to put their supposed loathing of the Daily Mail aside because it's the only paper that prints frothing, insinuating articles about transwomen

Well now you made me click… it actually isn’t "frothing" surprisingly enough. I admit I just scanned it but it seemed to just state what had happened?

I don’t read the Fail but I do read The Times, The Guardian, The New Statesmen and The Spectator. Even The Guardian has run an article critical of self-ID, so I’m not sure why you’re implying that people concerned by this issue are dependent on the Fail?

Jess Bradley should SUE Justine for even allowing discussion on this, according to v active TRA

Your statement about the proposed changes to include self identification is misleading and wrong. Perhaps you need to read the proposals.

I’m shocked reading this, a woman can’t get her penis out! Wtf is happening to the world.

I find it all so worrying, yet as a woman feel helpless to stop it.

Oh it's Katie! What a card Katie is.

Katie used to have "Yes, I've got a penis" as their pinned tweet.

Ewe While I don't particularly recommend reading Julia Serrano - the trans woman most commonly cited even by herself as having popularised the trans/cis binary - she has pretty openly stated that they are nebulous terms that won't include everyone. Even in some of her quite rude/controversial writings about those who detransition, she discusses that while some like herself put us under the trans umbrella, most of us consider ourselves beyond it which some will be. The area beyond is not just for nonbinary people (who, for many, go under the trans umbrella), but also dysphoric people who do not transition (it's pretty insulting to say we're cis/'on the same side') as well as many of those who are gender abolition among others. You can't say someone is on the same side as that which they want to get rid of, that makes no sense.

You could just say people of both sexes and all identities should be included in the consultation which would be far more inclusive than forcing a binary on everyone. I find it odd those who wish to go beyond the binary of female and male (which we use for plants and all other animals but apparently no longer has a solid agreeable definition for humans that we can use to communicate) find it appropriate to then place another newer binary on people as if that one will be fine because it's ~progressive~.

I may have my facts wrong, but Bradley appears to have been consulted because of their position in the Action for Trans Health and NUS, the latter of which they are now suspended from due to concerns around vile behaviour. I'm not sure if the consultation came before or after the suspension but it would be better if the government put more consideration into this as it feels like the very tick box exercise many are against - get people from XYZ group without any examination of who, with no inclusion of other groups that aren't on the list. This feels like a blatant show of 'aren't we nice' which, like the Munroe Bergdorf incident with Labour, I hope bites them in the ass and maybe just maybe wakes them up to take this more seriously and actually do something useful.

While the government has kinda promised they won't be altering the exemptions which allow for single-sex services even involving trans people with GRC (even with several groups including Action for Trans Health wanting them to be erased entirely), I really can't see what they're doing now is going to help dysphoric person of any identity or anyone else. The diagnosis and medical care process needs to be untied from politics which now it's heavily tied up in that people are getting less and less face-to-face time because it's all about meeting a tickbox list of time passed and attire rather than reducing suffering and maximizing well-being. What's going on now is a waste of time while people are hurting and others make their name on it. We have abysmal waiting lists and people self-medicating into severe medical problems but hey, let's talk about a piece of paper that isn't even required to get your ID changed and many don't bother with.

And if you think no one is arguing people can change sex, have a google around 'trans women menstruation' with people continuously arguing that taking estrogen 'feminizes cells' and 'makes the body 'think it's a mature female' gives trans women a monthly menstrual cycle just without the bleeding. Thankfully there are plenty of trans women who rightfully point out you kinda need a uterus with an endometrial lining to menstruate, but others say that's "invalidating TERF talk" sometimes with threats of violence. The lack of knowledge about the human body and the move by some to delete terms about it (some do argue that the terms penis and vagina are coercive labels that shouldn't be used much like female and male) is really harmful as we now have people ignoring what sounds like major side effects of their medication (abdominal cramping is a known side effect of some brands of synthetic-e) and could cause people to overlook severe medical problems (one was bragging about bleeding out their ass and how this was proof of menstruation...) because some want to make everything inclusive and that's not how biology works. We can't ignore that this is hurting people, often the very people some pushing for it say they want to protect and include, and we really need better going on.