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Family holiday upset

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UninspiringUserName · 28/07/2018 22:33

My mum has a big birthday next year and wants to spend it abroad with my sister and I, and our partners, and our children, so there's six of us, plus Mum and Dad, my sister and her partner.

There's been a lot of research into hotels, flights, and different options, and eventually we were all in agreement about a hotel that ticked the boxes for us all. The costs are staggering though - more than £8k for us, as there's so many of us, and closer to £2.5/3 per couple. We've had to tweak the budget a few times as our budget was clearly blown (we've never spent anything close to that for a holiday before).

It's long-haul and my parents said they'd upgrade us all to premium economy, which was a lovely gesture. The next day, they decided it wasn't worth it for the kids, so wouldn't pay for them, and as we'll be travelling with the kids, clearly, this means we're not included too, but they will still pay for both couples. This irked a little, but shrugged it off.

In a conversation last week, Mum was keen to book so we've said to go ahead, and we'll look to book later in the year as we have a business project that isn't performing as we'd like and we need to be sure it's performing but we were very clear that we'd do our best to afford it.

Today they went to book, and changed their minds. They've now booked a hotel that means we'd be paying £1.5k more, so it means we're counted out, without a doubt. All I got when I explained this was a 'well hopefully by the time it comes round, you'll be able to afford it'... comment.

AIBU to be gutted? Not about the holiday, but about how they clearly weren't that fussed about us going in the first place.

It doesn't help that it comes on top of already feeling unsteady with my parents for what I feel like is a lack of support, so I'm fully prepared to be told I'm overreacting as it's touched a raw nerve.

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Notevilstepmother · 29/07/2018 09:34

I’m sorry but I think your mum is selfish and self-centred. It’s a big birthday, fine, take her out for a meal, you shouldn’t be expected to spend thousands of pounds on a holiday.

petrolpump28 · 29/07/2018 09:38

it amazes me how people get in such a state about birthdays.

Its selfish behaviour and game playing. Dont buy into it.

twoshedsjackson · 29/07/2018 09:38

There's another thread running at the moment about parents who, having pleased themselves throughout their lives, and without being unkind, have left the children to fend for themselves, are now suddenly expecting more involvement as they grow older. I wonder if they will have an "oops" moment when they really don't know their DGC all that well, not having done the relationship foundation building when they were younger?
They have chosen the celebration they want, they can afford it, good luck to them. But they chose that over a more affordable and inclusive celebration. They can't just file you away for future reference....... Wish them well, and continue to develop your own independent life and lovely family.

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 09:38

Scrub, I hear you but actually, the £8k budget meant we were a long way from cheap and cheerful. The hotel we all agreed on was a 5 star with amazing reviews, and it ticked all the boxes for us all. However, it was the absolute top of our budget, as they knew, and it was only yesterday that they spotted another hotel and booked that one, that it blew the budget closer to 10K for us. Hence our decision to be ruled out.
As for my sister, she's chosen not to have kids, and the hotel we had chosen looked perfect for those with kids and those without.

MrsCampbell, I was 2 when they met, 5 when they married and 6 when they had my sister. I'd like to think my dad doesn't feel differently about me and my sister, but they are a LOT closer than he and I. They're very similar and 'get' each other in a way I can't. I used to be a lot closer to my mum (we're also very alike) but less so now, and my mum and my sister swim together three times a week - I can't join them as that's when I'm either in work early so I can finish early to collect the kids, or I'm on the school run.

It feels as though the scales are falling from my eyes a little. It's reassuring that so many of you see why the car plates issue is upsetting.

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UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 09:45

Lookatit, I hear you. And yes, I'm sure you can love your grandchildren without seeing them often or looking after them. I feel a little like the idea of the kids is preferable to the reality (sometimes, I agree!).

Onit, only just seen your comment and jeez, how much for a weekend? Seriously, I can see why you've had enough. Just. Don't. Go. That's utterly madness...

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OrdinarySnowflake · 29/07/2018 09:45

My only thought 're the holiday is to make it clear you are spending the £8k (or less!) Budget on a holiday, which they are welcome to come on as well as their big trip with your sister, but then it's them turning you down and it's clear the money has gone. You will have offered for them to come with you and of course if you could afford the holiday they invited you on you would go, it's turning to them saying "no", from just you saying "no".

Sometimes inviting someone to something, even when you expect them to say no, helps the relationship longer term as they have been asked and declined, not overlooked.

Definitely spell it out you are looking to spend your holiday budget elsewhere, there's no chance of you "finding" the extra.

OneStepSideways · 29/07/2018 09:49

Sounds like they didn't want to book their second choice (the one you could afford) if you weren't sure you could come. If your project hadn't gone well you would have cancelled and they would have been stuck with the less nice hotel for no reason.

The not upgrading your kids on the flight is a bit mean. I'm assuming you have 4 kids? Were they offering to pay for you any DH to upgrade but wanted you to cover the kids cost?

BlueJava · 29/07/2018 09:53

Wow! Your family are beingtotally unreasonable. Personally make sure they know there is no chance of you coming (she may be thinking that she will persuade you later. I'd then forget the whole thing and have a lovely family holiday on my own. The whole "big family joint holiday" think seems fraught with potential upset and angst. Just imho

FiestaThenSiesta · 29/07/2018 09:53

Hang on, so you can completely afford to go with 3 children. But you are choosing to include your child’s 17 year old girlfriend to join you on a family holiday.

Actually, I can see your mother’s point of view. I wouldn’t consider your son’s girlfriend a part of the family because they’re not adults in their 30s, but kids who will most likely not stay together once they move away from home. And her feelings of “not being left out” despite her not actually being family are being prioritied before your mum’s birthday celebration. Confused

MarthasGinYard · 29/07/2018 09:56

To be honest when my DP's offered upgrade I'd personally have declined that as it would have made me feel slightly grabby and uncomfortable them spending a few thousand extra on this....especially if it included almost adult girlfriend of ds.

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 09:58

Onestep, do you know I'm not sure. It was mentioned that Dad would cover the upgrade as it's a long flight - at this point it looked like the upgrade was £770 each. We then looked and on a different day, it was £350 each, so better value (though still a lot of money, I get that). He then decided it was wasted on the kids, so he wouldn't pay for them, and when I laughed and said that I wasn't Kirsty Allsop and couldn't have them not sitting with us, so the offer was rescinded for us all. Hey ho.

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RandomMess · 29/07/2018 10:02

Geez your sister is very much the favoured one...

I would be very hurt at how little your DC are thought of! Not worth having upgraded seats...

You have dodged a bullet and tbh I'd let your sister crack on with receiving the preferential treatment and she can deal with them in their old age as you'll be too busy with your grandchildren...

CocoaGin70 · 29/07/2018 10:03

My parents are horribly self centred OP and over the years, I've developed a teflon coating so they can't hurt as deep with their thoughtless actions. They don't mean to hurt but they do. As a parent, it's made me very sensitive to my childrens feelings and we never arrange anything that everyone isn't included in and have a policy of if we arrange, we pay for it. Our one DD is a SAHM and money is very tight for her so we are very considerate around it.

You will be a better parent to your own children because you won't ever make them feel the way your mum has made you feel over this Flowers.

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 10:05

Martha, it didn't feel grabby to be honest, when we were paying so much to join them on a holiday to celebrate with them. Either way it's a moot point now.

Fiesta, the girlfriend will be contributing to the holiday (she and my son are both working around their studies so they can save up for her to come, and we're going halves with them) and we've factored that into our calculations. Whether they stay together is immaterial - who knows the future. We're not catering to a girlfriend not wanting to be left out, but to a holiday for OUR family, including my son. Regardless of the girlfriend factor, it still doesn't change the fact that our top budget was agreed and then they changed their mind about the hotel, which added another £1.5k. I'm intrigued as to how you can see my parents' point of view here...?

I'm just messaging with Mum now and she's mentioned again how hopefully we'll be able to join them. I've said no, take us out of the equation and how the new hotel has blown our budget so it's not realistic. Even if things change financially, I can't justify close to £10k on a fortnight's holiday. She's not answered...

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OrdinarySnowflake · 29/07/2018 10:06

Oh sorry I'd missed you were planning on taking ds's 17 year old girlfriend! Why isn't she paying her own?

That does kind of change things a lot! This is a family trip for your DMs birthday, it's not really appropriate to take ds's girlfriend, few 17 year olds stay together, she's not part of the family like your dh or BIL are. How much would it be at the new hotel without her ?

If ds doesn't want to go without her, then I would say he can stay at home or she pays her own costs.

If you can't afford it because you've decided to take along non-family members, then suddenly your mum and sister look a lot more reasonable...

OrdinarySnowflake · 29/07/2018 10:08

Going halves with her still makes it a lot more expensive. Have you asked your mum if she is happy to invite this girl?

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 10:09

Random, I kind of get the upgraded seats issue. To my parents who will enjoy the leg room and the wider seats and free food and drink, it would be a waste on the little ones. However, they only have themselves to sort out on a 10-hour flight, and the better seats would have directly benefitted us rather than the kids, as they'd have been more comfortable, easier to sleep, etc. Like I said before, it wouldn't have been an issue had it not been offered in the first place.

Cocoa, my DH and I have said exactly this. I have a biological dad I rarely see, his parents live a long way away and aren't able to visit, and then my parents... It's definitely given me some insight into how I parent now and when the kids are adults.

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Theresahairbrushinthefridge · 29/07/2018 10:13

Sorry not RTFT

Just wanted to say though that when we have planned family celebrations it has always been something everyone could afford.

If my parents invite us away they pay. We pay for our flights if we can afford it. They would never dream of "inviting" us to something that puts us in debt.

For my husband's family. (Big financial difference). It's a day out. Bring a dish. Or we host.

What I am trying to say is that the point of a family celebration is to be together and any sensible, caring family work with what they have got to make sure that all the important people are there. It's the people not the place.

Smile. Smile. And smile. Say have a wonderful time. Really sorry we won't be able to join you. Maybe we could have a get together with all of us when you get back.

SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad · 29/07/2018 10:14

OP, I've got a big birthday coming up, and want to spend it in the company of ALL my DC & DGC. I don't have the sort of income that would enable me to pay for a holiday for us all (& there are children in each family, so they haven't got a lot of spare cash) so they're coming to my house for the weekend, and taking me for Sunday lunch at a lovely hotel nearby. I'm really pleased, as it means that everyone will be there - I'd no more think of leaving one family out than of flying to the moon..that wouldn't be a celebration for me.
You're taking absolutely the right attitude here - it must be very hard, but it will be better for your MH in the long run. Enjoy a lovely holiday with ALL your children Flowers

MinaPaws · 29/07/2018 10:14

They don't get it. They really have no idea how expensive life is for the generations coming up underneath them. I have to remind my dad every time I see him that they get to visit us for free on public transoort but it costs us £££ to get to them. Our mortgage is 10+ x our salary. His was 2x. He had a job for life and a very generous pension. We have neither. Financially that generation is so much better off, and they just seem to lack the empathy to realis eit and spread the wealth. My parents are sitting on a fortune, which is fine. It;s theirs. But it;s only theirs because a house they bought for 30k is now worth a million and they sold it. They didn;t earn that money. They were just alive when the boom happened. I don't resent it. I'm glad they are comfortable. But I do resent them not understanding we don't have sackloads of gold coins to keep up with them.

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 10:16

OK, an interesting turn of events...

In terms of what we're paying for DS's girlfriend, it'll end up being around £500 - her parents are contributing some, and so are she and my DS. It was always the plan (even before there was talk of a big family holiday) that she would come with us next year, and when it was first mentioned about Mum's birthday, she was part of the planning at my mum's insistence. She was always factored into the budget, and how we ended up with a budget of £8. The new hotel takes the holiday to £9.5K. If we were to now take her out of the equation, it still means paying more than the original budget AND we upset DS in the meantime.

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AuntLydiasSteelyArmPitHair · 29/07/2018 10:16

I am totally with others that have said that if you want a bg foreign holiday to celebrate then you pay for people or atleast chip in. We recently celebrated one of my children's birthdays and they wanted to go abroad instead of a big party. So I booked a massive villa on airbnb in a european country and paid for 12 of us to stay there for a week. Two families paid for their own flights and we each paid for a flight for our elderly parents so they could have one big family holiday before they are too old. The entire thing including food, booze, car hire etc came in at £250 each for the whole week.

I bet you can find a really brilliant holiday for half your budget and the kids will love every second of it. Leave your family to it, it's insane to spend that money when you have young kids. Family friendly is by far the best way forward

OrdinarySnowflake · 29/07/2018 10:18

Also the teenage girlfriend being one of the 4 kids sorts of makes your mum's comments about seeing how things are later on making sense - she might well be thinking that if your ds and his gf break up, it'll become a lot more affordable for you.

Planning on 17 year olds still dating a year later is madness, they might do, but the odds are against them.

UninspiringUserName · 29/07/2018 10:21

Snowflake I agree, absolutely. A lot could change in 10 months, hence our original point that we'd hold fire from booking so far out and would do so closer to the time. They've been together 2 years and of course, there's no guarantees they'll be together next month let alone next year.

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bubbles108 · 29/07/2018 10:22

Her response was that she hoped we would have 'an upturn in fortunes so it works for all of us'.

I'd reply to this saying that you won't have THAT much of an upturn in your finances but that you'd love to Skype a couple of times whilst they are away and that you are already looking forward to seeing the photos and videos when they get back

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