To be upset that the NHS 'pay raise' has cost me a grand?!

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Just this.

My pay is £86 down this month. That's £1,032 a year. What a lovely reward for a decade of service.

I'm glad I voted no. Sorry NHS staff hate to strike.

I was awarded my increment in May (although currently on Mat leave so haven’t seen the benefit of it yet). Does anyone know if it’s correct that we are staying on the ‘pay rise’ from whichever point you were on in April, regardless of whether you’ve gone up since then? Not sure whether I should be questioning this or not? Thanks

I'm just a little confused as to how you're worse off? Have you moved up a pension bracket or being charged more deductions?

I'm bottom band 7 and my pay has increased by £41 this month.

What I am annoyed by though is a) the backpay is being delayed and b) it's not backpay on the whole amount until you reach increment date

They kept that quiet!

@Lougle we get paid on the 'third last working day of the month' which is shit because it changes every month!

I'm just a little confused as to how you're worse off? Have you moved up a pension bracket or being charged more deductions?

No my pay point has been deleted so instead of moving my pay up to align with the one above they have moved me down a point to point 17 instead.

Where the paypont no longer exists they should move people up to the next one, or pay protect them until they get there. Sounds like a payroll error.
I’m top of 8a and got an extra £69 which I worked out was 2.33% increase in take home. Whoop de doo.
I voted to reject it.
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Where the paypont no longer exists they should move people up to the next one, or pay protect them until they get there. Sounds like a payroll error

It's not a payroll error even on the preliminary pay offer tables I could see that I was going to be worse off, I even contacted the RCN and told them I would be £47 a year worse off but they just kept telling me that I was getting a pay rise of 16.9% over 3 years, despite the nhs handbook stating I would 0.7% better off in 3 years time.

I can't work out where I will be at all. Mid Band 7 here. My pay this month is up but I think that's mostly because of on call hours worked. Also my increment was due.

So they are moving people down a point if your pay point has been got rid off?

Truly disgusting, shafted yet again

Our trust are also removing the unsocial hours part of occupational sick pay

Mary1935, you say "In our trust the Unison rep is employed by the trust!!!"

I don't know how this works in the case of your employer, but it is normal for branch officers and stewards to be employed by an employer, and to have paid time off from their normal job to work for the union. My dp does this in local government. It doesn't mean that the council as his employer tells him what to do - he is deputy branch secretary and he and the branch secretary make and discuss decisions and meet with members individually and in groups to understand their problems and discuss what to do when there is a problem with the employer. If there is a branch dispute with one employer they have to make decisions but for example strike action requires a ballot and all sorts of complicated rules designed to make action more difficult by law. If members want to be balloted for action they then have to get advice from and agreement from officers employed by the union. Often union employees such as regional officers are keener to head off disputes and strikes and seek compromise/sellouts than lay officers. Unison reps in the NHS in London have in our experiences of meetings and conferences tended to be more small c conservative (which may or may not reflect the views of their members). I remember the frustration as a local steward myself also in local government of consulting members on pathetic pay deals like 0.5% and getting oh we'll accept we don't want to strike ooo errr that's too scary etc (and these weren't in roles where they shared the kind of concerns understandably felt by midwives and nurses).

Employee representatives employed by the employer should also be up for election regularly eg every year. I know a few who have only occasionally had to face contested elections, but it is open to all members to put themselves forward and say this is why you should vote for me etc.

Whereas trade union employees such as regional officers are accountable to their managers not to union members as such.

I am sad and angry to hear so many brilliant NHS staff are being ripped off like this by this poor pay deal after so many years of pay freezes in the public sector.

I work in higher education and we have been offered a 2% rise. This week we were told our pension contributions will be going up by 4%. It seems that there's something of a pattern emerging in the public sector. Our union is notable for fucking us over as well.

I was speaking to a medical secretary who is ending up £3k down a year.

Some are going up pension brackets which means they'll pay 9.3 % instead of their previous 7.1% which means they'll have a better pension but when you're £80 worse off each month at 30 it's hard to see that as a positive.

Mother That sentiment is exactly why all employers (private and public) have been cutting pension benefits. Employees do not see the money paid by the employer as valuable. EG £30k a year and £6k pension, or £34k and £1k pension. Most people would take the second, so cheaper for employer and more competition among applicants.
We get the employers we want.

I'm band 2 HCA haven't seen my pay packet yet so not sure if my pay is up or down.

I only get £1k a month approx as it is

I'm so confused by it all. I'm a band 3 on point 10 due an increment in September. My wage has gone back a paypoint, apparently to go up in September again? My colleagues on similar points have stayed the same so someone starting a year after me is now getting paid the same as me.
I'm so disappointed as £13 a month is not what I voted for!!

Well I’ve been trying to get into my ESR from home but of course the site is down. No surprises there.

I am top band 5 and I got an extra £55.

Does seem to be a bit of a crap show all round though for a lot of people.

Statement from Unison:

"UNISON members may have seen that the RCN has apologised to its members for some of its communication around the NHS pay deal for staff in England.

This is a complex three year pay deal for NHS staff that combines a cost of living pay rise with major structural reform of the NHS pay system in England.

UNISON material, and that produced jointly by the NHS health unions, clearly differentiated between what would happen to staff at the top of bands and those below.

Unfortunately this appears not to have been the case in the information that the RCN produced for their members. Their material apparently does not accurately reflect the deal that was negotiated and that we consulted our members on.

We explained to UNISON members that those at the top of their pay band (over 50% of NHS staff) would receive a 3% pay increase backdated to 1 April 2018.

For all other NHS staff, we explained that timings and amounts of pay increases would depend on individual circumstances, including individual incremental dates.

The complexity of this deal was the reason we referred people to our pay calculator so they could see what the deal meant for them.

UNISON’s priority was to get as much money for as many people as possible. It was to ensure that, over three years, the deal will result in everyone being better off than they would have been under the old increments and a 1% pay increase. Now we need to work hard to ensure that is implemented properly. This is so that our members get what they are entitled to and what they voted for."

No mention at all that increments will be removed resulting in some people's wages going DOWN....guess that is covered in the "major structural reform of the NHS pay system in England".

What a load of shite. We have been conned.

Full link here (facebook)....the comments are very angry

Except their pay calculator was wrong. The figure in year 1 for my pay point is not the same as the one on the link from yesterday or on my payslip today.

The calculator on their site is still giving the wrong figure. It’s giving about £500 a year more than the actual figure.

I got £12.24 per month! Not due my increment until December though as I have not long started as a band 6. It's almost laughable if it weren't so depressing.

Thanks for explaining @NeedHelpWithOutfit I cannot believe that it's been allowed to happen. It's disgusting.

Surely if a pay point had been deleted, you should have been moved up one! What a shambles.

I think I’m losing 2% in pay as part of this pay deal. Increased pension contributions have negated a pay rise.

Excellent

I have 32 yrs experience and currently do a role previously filled by a consultant Dr.
If I leave, the consultant will have to take the role back on until someone else acquires the level of experience and knowledge I have in my fairly niche field. He gets paid significantly more...but more to the point we are running at a 30% understaffing for this specialty of consultants so they need them doing what they do best in an operating theatre whilst I care for patients elsewhere.

I can retire anytime I like tbh as I can find work in the private sector very very easily

I will probably take this option sometime in the next few years.

@caroldecker I think most would be less angry if the pension banding changed with the increase. Many had no idea that suddenly a band 5 (NOT management) would start paying a managers' pension bracket.

Communication has been shocking. Getting a rise that leaves you £3k worse off a year is not what people voted for. The calculator we were given changed after the vote to a "pay journey" calculator and the numbers are different. A colleague's "journey" sees him drop an increment next year.