To be upset that the NHS 'pay raise' has cost me a grand?!

[AgathaMystery]

Just this.

My pay is £86 down this month. That's £1,032 a year. What a lovely reward for a decade of service.

I'm glad I voted no. Sorry NHS staff hate to strike.

I’m top of band 6. It’s been removed from the pay scale.

Does anyone know if this effects HCPs/HCWs as my Mum is one and not too savvy checking up on these things?

NHS (not frontline) wrt to spine points disappearing - have Hr confirmed this? If you were being paid at a point then you would have pay protection I assume?

Agree figures are v misleading. I'm a senior manager (band 8) and just for the record - my pay rise is £41. I feel desperately sorry for those whose pay has been negatively affected - assume it's tax / pension contributions, shocking really.

So does that mean I’ve been moved down an increment?
There’s so little information available- it’s a disgrace. If I have lost an increment that’s the end for me

I'm just a patient so direct effect on me, but this sounds crap. I went online to try to understand a bit more. I found an NHS Employer response to the RCN but it won't open for me. Please can someone summarise what they say if you can open it-

www.nhsemployers.org/your-workforce/2018-contract-refresh/breakdown-by-pay-band

Whereheresawill I’m top band 6 and got £55. A’s far as I can see point 29 is still there?

The pay points are disappearing because they are getting rid of or reducing the increments (depending on band). That in itself shouldn’t mean a pay cut, just that the lower increments get a larger ‘payrise’.

The cuts presumably are increases in contributions when people cross a threshold. Which is shit, but I’m not sure much can be done about that.

Wheretheresawill

Thank you

So, my understanding is that currently there are (say) 10 pay points in a band, and you go up one per year. So it could be 20k, 20.5k and so on. But that now there will be (say) 4 pay points in a band, so you will jump “straight” from 20 to 21.25k but you won’t do that for 2.5 years. So the employer saves a year of paying you at 20.5k and 6 months at 21k, saving them like £1000. They are then paying “more” than they would have for 6 months, but only by £125 over the 6 months, and then you’re back on less than you would have been before?

And the issue here is presumably that if you were on increment 2 (21k in my example above) you then aren’t due to be on the new increment 1 (21.25k) for 6 months, so you drop back down to the basic pay for that band (20k in my example).

Is that right?

Does it apply to all bands?

Try working in GP land.
Government is telling everyone how they've given GPs 3%.... Yeah, well they gave us local scheme pay cut of 20% - so whoopee do, now my loss is only -17% to deliver the same services with increased demand.... how thrilling...

Bloody joke.

I'm mid Band 7 and about £50 better off, but I make a LOT of AVCs so i think my increase would be higher without that.

There is a 'no detriment' clause in the pay deal that explicitly states no one will be worse off. If payroll are telling you it is correct that you have lost money, I would contact your union.

I don't get paid until midnight, but I know what I'm expecting!

My "pay rise" is worth a measly £10 per month after the taxman has taken tax and NI and nhs pensions has increased as well.

Mine is around £33pm before tax etc...

No idea how it works but this apparantly is the new and accurate pay scales.

www.nhsemployers.org/your-workforce/pay-and-reward/agenda-for-change/pay-scales/annual

I'm almost bottom if band 4 and got a massive £12 pay increase.
It's a good job I love my job.

These changes apply to the NHS in England (and Wales?). Not in Scotland where things look better. I’m at top of band 6, in consultation phase at moment but Scottish government has proposed 9% increase over 3 years. See photos for projections for top of band 6 depending on whether you’re employed in Scotland or England.

Tarragon I am a union steward - no one knows a single thing!

Any permanent reduction in pay will likely be due to reaching a threshold where your pension contributions increase as the % increase is over the entire salary rather than aportioned like PAYE.

This already happened under the previous structure so I assume that the new pay deal has brought it to attention.

These changes apply to the NHS in England (and Wales?).

Not Wales (yet).

See photos for projections for top of band 6 depending on whether you’re employed in Scotland or England.

That’s the whole point of devolution.

Band 6. Dont think theres any difference. Not excited. I do my nhs bit for the training and helping patients who really need it. It covers the nursery fees just.. my private pays for my weeks food.

I'm paypoint 24 and my yearly pension is currently estimated to be just £464.60!!!!!!!!!! That's for 9 years service

Is that NHS employers link right?

If so, then I’m now being paid less in my current job on a higher banding than I would be if I’d stuck with the old one. That definitely wasn’t the case under the proposed scales earlier in the year. FFS.

Don't forget you'll pay more tax in Scotland