AIBU to be worried about the normalisation of far right politics?

[Apileofballyhoo]

Just that really. I'm interested in what people consider to be far right and what people think causes it and what should be done about it.

I think it's caused by inequality and people feeling hopeless.

But not violent right? You talk of labelling and then use the right wing phrase “virtue signalling”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-hasn-t-come-up-with-one-radical-idea-2gfh29l0c?shareToken=900f979c5005223b0e97d3602c85474e

I think the far left is just as dangerous.

I think the far left is just as dangerous.

Why?

The far right are now regularly marching in London, giving nazi salutes and assaulting police officers.

Only a couple of years ago an MP was murdered by man shouting "Britain First".

I don’t care about the pursuit of equality as long as a reasonable standard of living is achievable for the lowest in society.

I suppose it depends on what you think is a reasonable standard of living then. Access to nutritious food, clean water, secure, dry, warm, clean housing, basic education or higher education and training, health care, leisure activities, modern technology, freedom of religious or cultural practice, the arts?

Virtual signalling is a fatuous insult that I’ve only ever heard used by self proclaimed right wingers against leftie libtard snowflakes, whose tears they wish to drink. Apparently, any compassion shown towards a fellow human, especially if a different colour, religion or social status, is now virtue signalling and should be pilloried.

Obs meant virtue.

Reasonable standard of living means being able to live in comfort maintaining the standards expected by your culture and community. The specifics aren’t definable because it depends on the culture and community- and of course those standards be changing all the time if they are culturally defined.

yes, virtue signalling is usually thrown at anyone who shows compassion/empathy towards a maginalised group. Usually followed up with champagne socialist/middle class etc. It is done to shut down debate. The right do not want to address the injustices their policies create.

Talk any extremism is undesirable, as it creates a lack of democracy, choice. Anybody who does not agree with their views are shut down. It is great that we live in a fairly democratic society, that we can protest freely, whatever our views may be, without the state criminalising us.

But is the far left ‘just as dangerous’ right now?

And that wasn’t the question, which was: “AIBU to be worried about the normalisation of far right politics?”

Given your last post, your asnswer should have been “No, YANBU. (But I’d also be worried about far left politics).”

I’m a bit confused - we want to preserve freedom of choice but we don’t want that choice to include extremism.

I’m genuinely shocked by this thread. @Apileofballyhoo, you’re right to be worried, it’s scary.

Oh dear, Alex Jones suspended from facebook for 30 days.

The far left and far right have more in common, than that which divides them.

The far left and far right have more in common, than that which divides them

Such as?

and of course those standards be changing all the time if they are culturally defined

So let's not aim for equality but for loose standards based on culture?

JustAnotherLurker absolutely agree with you about strange bedfellows but I works have thought the US was much more of a Neoliberal dream than the EU.

Both the far left and the far right visions seek to impose a defined set of extremist values on the whole of society that only a very small minority of people actually support, and neither seeks, in any way, to accommodate the views of people who do not share their aims.

Because of this, far right and far left regimes can only exist when enforced through state violence and repression. Otherwise the public won’t stand for them. When you have a state that exists through, and can only be sustained by, violence, and where the power to administer the violence is concentrated in the hands of leaders, the leaders become corrupted monsters very quickly.

Some defenders of communism argue that if people in general could be persuaded to support communism, it could operate in a non-violent manner, but that is a canard. Firstly the statement is true of all political systems. Fascism would work just fine if everybody could agree to value a strong state above their own interests. Right-liberatarianism would work just fine if everyone could be made to agree in the supremacy of property rights, and individual freedom over all other concerns. Radical theocracy would work just fine if everyone could be persuaded to rigidly obey the same Gods’ laws.

That’s not taking into account the same views on transgender, women in the workplace and gun control

Talkstotrees I didn't read the whole article but it's interesting when The Times (I'd consider the Times to be a right leaning paper) is saying Jeremy Corbyn's speech was not particularly left wing but people are still considering him a communist.

It's really weird. It's like no matter what he says he's a communist. No matter what manifesto the party have, they are far left.

Totally agree Redneck, you have explained much better than I can.

Yes Apile u are correct. Thats the effect of the fake news of which donny boy is so fond.lie long and often enough and eventually it will become a 'truth'.

There has been a steady drip drip of anti immigration/disabled/benefits culture going on in the press for many years now, the recent crash and austerity measures has magnified it, everyone is looking for someone easy to blame, someone "other" than their own circle. Far right views are an absolute gift to people who want to make things wonderful without paying any more tax. In the last few years I've been shocked at how the people around me are changing, coming out with comments that a few years ago they wouldn't have dreamed of muttering under their breath let alone in public. It scares me.

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