4per cent of new dads have post natal depression

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Says LBC quoting a Stanford University study. Expert currently pointing out that as pnd is female hormone related, its unlikely to be pnd. What does mumsnet think? Personally I have a cynical eyebrow raised.

lorelai has got a point there... I’ve known a couple of guys diagnosed (by their GP) with PND and they’re not taking midwife resource away or any resource that is currently dedicated to women - they have visited their GP and then either been prescribed SSRIs or referred to counselling (talking therapies in our area) which is accessible to anyone with any sort of mental health problem

Ultimately I also think that the help for dads also protects the mum and baby. If the dad is the one with pnd, you can bet that the mum isn't getting the support she needs.

Well obviously the dad should be getting help if they are depressed

Any man should be getting help of depressed is it really hard to put women first though when they have given birth though ? Anyone at any time can suffer depression and there is treatment out there for it . Honestly this thread makes me despair at how everything women experience has to be seen through a male set of eyes for it to be real to us .

@LorelaiVictoriaGilmore I totally get where you're coming from and it's really interesting to look at it from our two different perspectives. My PND was definitely hormone-driven - INCREDIBLY intense to the point of psychosis, but short-lived - and I feel grateful for that in all honesty, as even though it was horrendous, within 5 months I was feeling "normal" again and loving life with my little girl which is such a blessing as it means I get to enjoy the rest of my maternity leave. So it's definitely not that I think hormonal PND is worse, but I do wonder if it requires different treatment and therefore it would benefit from a different label? I have a close friend whose PND didn't emerge until she went back to work, and her experience of the symptoms is very different to mine. I'm not a mental health expert so I have no idea whether the treatment would or should vary, but it's definitely interesting. I suspect there's a lot more research needed, as per everything to do with women's health!

I really feel for you and hope you continue in your recovery well.

Any man should be getting help of depressed is it really hard to put women first though when they have given birth though ? Anyone at any time can suffer depression and there is treatment out there for it . Honestly this thread makes me despair at how everything women experience has to be seen through a male set of eyes for it to be real to us .

But it was months and months after I gave birth that I got any symptoms. Having given birth just wasn't relevant to me at that point.

Strongly agree with @peachgreen that we are talking about very different experiences here. Absolutely not saying one is better or worse; just different:

This thread has made me think that we need to know more about this and get new terminology. But right now pnd seems to be the umbrella term for varying types of depression. And don't even get me started on postnatal anxiety which is so different to pnd that people struggle to recognise it...

I really feel for you and hope you continue in your recovery well.

Thanks, @peachgreen. You too.

My experience was like having a personality transplant after birth having delusions about my baby imagining they would die , thinking about how I’d kill myself and how to do it as not to hurt everyone and thinking I was a failure with everything . With my second daughter I struggled on and had a breakdown when she was 9 months old , both were post natal depression and both horrific .

Any man should be getting help of depressed is it really hard to put women first though when they have given birth though?
You talk as though it's a choice. Illness isn't a choice. It can't just be put aside because the timing/circumstances are not convenient. My ExH was diagnosed with PND when DS1 Was 6mo. It was hell. I left when he became psychotic. It cost us our home and marriage.

Ultimately I also think that the help for dads also protects the mum and baby. If the dad is the one with pnd, you can bet that the mum isn't getting the support she needs.
This x 1000.

Redbriefcase Now, you are the one who is appropriating terms. you are appropriating the term gaslighting, which is something ehich occurs in the context of an abusive situation/relationship. stop appropriating terms made for abuse survivors, if you care about appropriation.

In all seriousness, i do agree that both male and female depresion after birth need taking equally seriously. however, PND has different causes, and is a woman's illness needing different treatment.

having said that, i really don't think men are claiming mental illness just to appropriate something from women. doctors often seem to use depression as a catch all term. it is an umbrella term as there i sno such thing as just depression. in clinical terms you cannot just have depression. if youa re depresed what you actually have could be any number of conditions ranging from dysthymia, bipolar, cyclothymia, major depressive disorder, anxiety state etc if you are a woman you could also have PND, PMS/PMDD, menopausal mood swings etc. but you cannot have those if you are a man!

sometimes men are selfish and childish after a birth. these are not mental health problems but self harm IS.