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AIBU?

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To have more children in these circumstances?

325 replies

LightningAndLove · 22/07/2018 22:01

In Aibu as I have no idea what category it should go in.
This might be quite long so sorry in advance.

I already have two DD's (8 and 10) who live with my ex as my work means I am away most week days. It's also very unpredictable and I usually find out how many nights I will be away for the week and where to the Friday before or even when I go in on the Monday.

We live very close to each ( literally around the corner) and ex and it was all very amicable and ex and I still get on brilliantly so we have no official arrangements but the girls stay with me most weekends and are free to come and go between both houses whenever I'm home.

Dh and I got married in March. We'd talked before about having children together and both agreed that it's something we'd like at some point in the future.
Since the wedding we've been talking about it more seriously.
I do really want children with dh and we're in a secure enough place financially and career wise that it's definitely practical

However, I feel really guilty at the thought of having more children when I've already got two that I feel I dont see enough of.
I'm scared that they'll feel like they're pushed out or replaced

OP posts:
SnuggyBuggy · 23/07/2018 12:00

I remember at school how kids would get unsettled and act up when a parent had a child with a new partner. No one can tell the adults what do but let's not pretend it doesn't affect the children.

BarbarianMum · 23/07/2018 12:15

Ive known many children be unsettled, feel pushed out and act up when their parents have another child, even when they are still together. Doesn't mean parents shouldn't have one ffs. My dsis said she was pleased when my dad went on to have children in his second marriage - it made visiting far more fun as she got to be "big sister" to us tinies. She found the arrival of her mum's second child far more disturbing- she had to livewith him full-time for a start.

SnuggyBuggy · 23/07/2018 12:26

It's definitely prudent to consider the needs of the already children though and not take anything for granted.

HerondaleDucks · 23/07/2018 13:27

My dp and I have full residency of his dc. Exw sees them once a month for a few hours. We've been pushing for more for ages but she says she can't afford the bus.
She is currently pregnant.
It seems fine for her.
I would say to seriously think about the impact this would have on your children as well as the fact you're bringing another child into the world you won't be able to give proper attention to. But then it seems you're happy for the father's to be the primary carers for your children.

I cannot have a child due to the impact this would have on my sc. But it's fine for their mother to.

I try not to judge but it's a bit of a kick.

Graphista · 23/07/2018 13:50

I agree the bar for fathers particularly post-divorce is ridiculously low. I've seen how my dd has been affected by her father having more children with 2nd wife. With first 2 she was quite little herself, focuses on "aww a cute baby to play with" as she got older she realised the effect it had on her relationship with her father. Each subsequent pregnancy announcement was greeted first with dismay then heartbreak, because the reality was the more DC he had with wife 2 the less time & energy he had for dd. He's got 5 now with wife 2 and hasn't seen dd for several years because he doesn't make the effort to make arrangements - even if dd, step mum and I do the majority of the arrangements it goes wrong because he doesn't book leave at work in time.

And I've seen it over and over with other children of divorce from friends & family my age right down to younger children in my circle dealing with it now.

Most nrp's lose touch with their DC living elsewhere I think it's within 5 years, and then a few more do so as time goes on so that by the time these children are adults very few of them have contact with their nrp.

Then when these parents' younger children hit teens and are spending more time with friends than at home, or they semi-retire or retire (sometimes these events coincide) the parents want to pick up where they left off and think it's oh so unfair that the now grown children - possibly parents themselves by this point - aren't interested.

I've seen it on here too - parents dealing with grandfathers who were absent fathers wanting to play the cuddly beneficent granpa and pretend they were great loving fathers when that's nowhere close to the truth.

"My parents weren’t divorced but my dad used to work away most nights and come home for the weekend. How’s that different to this?" Sorry but that's REALLY offensive - it's along the lines of those mothers with a partner/husband saying "oh I know what it's like being a Lp dh works such long hours" it is NOT the same AT ALL.

"While my Dads wife did a bulk of the childcare while he worked away, his children from that relationship have had SO much more from him from living with him. I still don’t really feel like I know my Dad properly." See? It IS different the parent living with the DC.

"So adoptive mothers, step mothers, grandmothers who look after their grandkids full time aren’t real mothers?" All of those would tell you that loving children that aren't biologically theirs does involve certain issues that don't generally occur if children stay with biological mothers. It's partly why people adopting have to go through such a rigorous screening process and are given all the support they are especially through the early stages. True also of kinship fostering.

All the comments "men do it and nobody bats an eye" are untrue - numerous threads on here where men who are nrp's and barely see their DC are criticised, see it plenty in real life too - because it DOES have a negative effect on the DC.

"No one can tell the adults what do but let's not pretend it doesn't affect the children." Exactly!

Timeisslippingaway · 23/07/2018 13:50

HerondaleDucks
Unless you couldn't financially afford it then there is no reason for you not to have a child.

ElevenSmiles · 23/07/2018 13:52

A career change would have been the right thing to do, better for the children already here and for any future children.

BlueBug45 · 23/07/2018 13:52

@HerobdaleDucks it is yours and your OH decision not to have any children together and not your step-children's.

Oh and some children are very happy to have younger half-siblings, while others aren't happy to have a younger sibling.

Freshfeelings · 23/07/2018 18:07

Aww. The OP's DP wants a baby too and people think he should be deprived of a family because she needs to work away?

He's not deprived of a family. He has a family because he married a woman who has children.

Freshfeelings · 23/07/2018 18:10

It's a selfish decision to have a new family with a new partner, not one taken in your existing children's best interests. That's fine - people do selfish things all the time, but don't pretend it's not selfish and that it's not painful for the existing children.

@Freshfeelings

That is the biggest load of shit I have read on Mumsnet.

Well firstly - you clearly haven't read a lot of Mumsnet. Grin

Secondly, you're either someone who needs to convince themselves of that because you've made the selfish decision to have a 'blended family' or you've never experienced it and don't have a clue.

But whatever - tell me how it's NOT selfish to have a baby with a new partner. What part of it is self-LESS? What part of it would be in the best interests of the children she doesn't have the ability to care for and doesn't spend enough time with (by her own admission)?

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:11

Fresh you clearly have unresolved issues around your parents divorce. Jesus.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:11

But whatever - tell me how it's NOT selfish to have a baby with a new partner.

The baby will be loved and cared for, her children will have a sibling, what about that is selfish?

Freshfeelings · 23/07/2018 18:18

Oh really? Someone having unresolved feelings into adulthood because of the way their parents handled divorce and blending families? Surely not - that could never happen...

But to be honest this statement:

The baby will be loved and cared for, her children will have a sibling, what about that is selfish?

just makes me think that you don't actually know what the word 'selfish' means. They would be having this baby not because it's best for the kids but because it's what they want. I don't know why you think it's relevant whether the baby will be loved and cared for as to why it's selfish. Putting your own wishes over the needs of your children (your EXISTING children) is selfish.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:20

They would be having this baby not because it's best for the kids but because it's what they want. I don't know why you think it's relevant whether the baby will be loved and cared for as to why it's selfish. Putting your own wishes over the needs of your children (your EXISTING children) is selfish.

So every time someone wants kids, they have to ask their eldest what they think, even though their child is...a child? Great logic there.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:21

And don’t project your feelings about your divorce onto others. Lots of people get divorced. I have no idea why some people get their knickers in such a bloody twist over it.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:21

Your parents, not yours.

Freshfeelings · 23/07/2018 18:23

Oh dear - not sure you're capable of grasping this, but yes, people should always consider (not ask, consider) their existing children and their specific circumstances and needs before making huge life changes that will affect them.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 18:28

Children are children. They shouldn’t get a say in their parents decision to have other kids, ffs. How ridiculous.

AnxiousPeg · 23/07/2018 18:32

Of course parental break-up harms kids.

Of course blended families cause issues.

BUT this thread is still nauseatingly sexist.

Those berating the OP are clearly not long-term opponents of blended families; it's screamingly obvious that they're simply the type of people who can't get their heads round the idea of men being primary carers. It comes across loud and clear in the language they're using- sneering about women wanting to "have it all." That phrase alone makes my blood boil, because when people talk about women "having it all" it actually means just having what men have always had.

Sure, we don't want women mimicking damaging male behaviour for the sake of equality. But you can bet your bottom dollar the posters fainting at the thought of OP having a second family are nowhere to be seen when a man does similar.

Blatant sexism.

SalemBlackCat · 23/07/2018 19:16

MrSpock You are being very simplistic and not thinking logically or about repercussions. Sure, children shouldn't dictate what their parents do. But parents are older and are adults, and should think about others and not just themselves. The OP palmed her children, one who was basically a newborn off to their father. She has no business having another child, when she already has 2 that she doesn't even have custody of. I myself would prefer to live under a bridge with my mother than for her to abandon me as the OP did with hers. Children don't need a lot of money, but what they do need is their mother. Especially when they are 12 months old. She palmed her kids off to their father to continue with her career. That is a particular callousness I cannot even describe. The OP doesn't appear to have a maternal bone in her body, she is a career woman first and foremost, nothing wrong with that per se, but it would be a major mistake for her to get pregnant now.

SalemBlackCat · 23/07/2018 19:19

@AnxiousPeg You are being ridiculous and quite superficial. Like it or not, mothers and fathers are nothing alike, mothers will always be more important to a child than a father. It is what it is!! That isn't 'sexism', it is REALITY. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

DailyMailReadersAreThick · 23/07/2018 19:20

YABU and I would say exactly the same to a man in this situation. Blended families very, very rarely work out for the children, even when the (selfish) adults are blissfully happy.

Any parent's priority should be to their existing children. I like what a previous poster said - think about what's best for your existing children, and then do that.

Ihearttheholidays · 23/07/2018 19:25

Do posters really feel their children's father's could not love and care for their children if they were required to as well as a woman could? Don't you think this might be part of why men don't step up, eg, after separation. I think this attitude does both parties a terrible disservice.

rinabean · 23/07/2018 19:35

"I feel I dont see enough of" is the crucial part of your post. You would be being extremely unreasonable to have time for a child who doesn't even exist yet over your actual children.

Saying parents have responsibility to their children and shouldn't have more if they don't do enough for the ones they've got isn't sexism, because literally no-one would say this only applies to women and not men.

I didn't live with my mother after my parents divorced and it was really hard on me. You really need to put them first. It's not good enough that they'd all have their fathers, you aren't dead, you can do better. Talking about sexism, what would you think of a father who had kids he didn't do right by because "well they've got their mothers", it's not good enough is it?

Ihearttheholidays if you don't know what it's like to grow up without your mother, don't comment on it. This is nothing to do with men stepping up or not, don't change the subject, this is about a woman who won't step up, but could. What men do or don't do is completely irrelevant. You talk about "both parties" as if there's two, the mother and the father? You couldn't make it clearer that you don't care about children dealing with parents who can't be bothered.

MrSpock · 23/07/2018 19:54

BlackCat

No, she didn’t palm them off. She created a custody arrangement where they stay with their father in the week and her at weekends. It’s pretty awful to suggest a man cannot be a good primary caregiver. Why can she not go out to work and her kids dad not do the majority of the caring?

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