Remainer 'moral superiority'

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I voted Remain but I dithered and I can see both sides of the argument. (Am I the only one?! Everyone else seems to be so polarised.)

What gets me, especially when I've read discussions on here, is all the very vociferous Remainers who talk as though they have a claim to the moral high ground.

I find the accusation that Brexiteers are 'racist' particularly weird. Europe is mostly white like us. How does race play a card? If anything, letting our borders open to all and every European (majority white) means necessarily less room for other people from different countries and therefore different races.

In fact, what is the EU? A band of rich, predominantly white countries banding together to be more powerful. Fine, this might be best for our trade and prosperity. It might be pragmatic. We might like feeling we could go and live in Spain one day. But that's not the same as being morally 'better'.

But a lot of Remainers behave as though they are inherently 'virtuous' and Brexit is inherently 'evil.'

I don't get it.

When our only export is drunk teenagers, you’ve got to wonder what is going on

Still missing the point sussexbelleofthevball

Their experience hasn’t led them to believe being in the EU is so much better for them as life simply wasn’t improving and hadn’t for years - Remain didn’t address that

Surely if you are an empathetic person you can understand when you see or read up on how run down some areas are why people are desperate for a change - a change in government hasn’t changed anything for them

It doesn’t mean you have to agree and certainly not to respect racist views some hold but how people can feel morally superior to those that were desperate for change who have been left behind for so long is questionable and would be laughable but the issue isn’t funny

"When our only export is drunk teenagers, you’ve got to wonder what is going on"

That isn't our only export, but you have to look at where our exports are going to in the majority...

and then realise that we've fucked that too by voting leave.

"Their experience hasn’t led them to believe being in the EU is so much better for them as life simply wasn’t improving and hadn’t for years - Remain didn’t address that "

But their experience is nothing to do with being in the EU.

Voting to leave because of the impact of neo liberal economic policies is like blowing your foot off because you have a sore head.

Enthusiam exactly.

Unfortunately people can only see within their own bubble. It’s been great for the suits, getting paid astronomical amounts of money compared to the rest of the country, the inflated cost of living doesn’t matter, the lack of support for self employed people (oh they get £80 a week if they fall ill, why should we pay a reasonable amount for their produce)

It’s just jaw dropping.

Threads like this make me see exactly why people voted out.

Not to mention the obvious false economy. People seem to think highlighting that will somehow make Brexit go away. It won’t. We need to focus on what we have and try and make it fairer all round because right now it is crippling hard working people all over the country.

"We need to focus on what we have and try and make it fairer all round because right now it is crippling hard working people all over the country"

Didn't see that on the ballot, did anyone else?

When the misery that people are suffering is nothing to do with the EU it makes no sense to vote out of the EU.

It really did become a very ugly campaign, ending with the murder of Jo Cox. Of course it isn't fair to say that a Brexiteer is necessarily a racist (I have friends and family members who voted Leave so I know that's not the case). But there was a nasty racist element involved in the Brexit campaign, particularly within UKIP and the EDL, and it's ridiculous to close your eyes to that.

Voting to leave because of the impact of neo liberal economic policies is like blowing your foot off because you have a sore head.

Whilst that's true, voting for greater neo liberal economics is not the answer either.

Hence why we are in this shit show we are now.

But they did vote for greater neo liberal economics, that's the point!

Look who campaigned for Brexit, look at who funded it, what outcomes do you think they wanted?

What would be great all round is if the focus shifted from this weird blame culture and we just got on with what we need to do.

We need to find a way of supporting our working class because they can and will shaft us.

We need to bring some security back to the UK. Personally I don’t know Europe will survive much longer as a solid unit anyway.

The attempt to make this about class is merely propaganda, the elites narrative has been cleverly used to make people vote against their own interests, whilst voting for the interests of the most elite neo liberals of the lot.

Clearly not speaking for anyone. Just offering actual reasons why people voted out and suggesting that maybe hanging on to our shit show of an economy because it supports the suits, isn’t the best way to highlight the issues with leaving.

"What would be great all round is if the focus shifted from this weird blame culture and we just got on with what we need to do. "

You are the one doing the blaming, mostly in a "look what you made me do" way.

Still struggling to see any upsides to Brexit. We now know the Leave campaign acted illegally - this throws the whole thing into question. The politicians who managed the referendum and who have been handling Brexit since are appalling - they are, in the main, self-serving imbeciles who think nothing of lying to the public time and time again. However you voted in 2016, this much has become apparent - we all deserve better. As for moral superiority, if you're interested in facts-based decision-making, then I do think the Remainers win out on this ... if this makes me 'superior', so be it.

User it’s very hard to see any. However it’s very easy to see why people took the vote to leave.

When you ignore, vilify and attack the working classes, they will fight back.

We need to perhaps try and incorporate their needs into our grand master plan in future rather than putting them in the box marked ‘racist’ and giving them fuck all money for their produce.

Or it’s only going to get worse.

The economics of leave never added up (if they were explained at all) and so I voted remain. And still would.

The vote was close enough (and economic risk great enough) that the Tories could easily have trodden a soft brexit path. I would have been happy with the status of Norway. We could’ve used existing powers to put an emergency halt on migration (it’s interesting that the conservatives STILL haven’t done that despite their protests that the vote was about uncontrolled migration).

I can empathise with people who voted leave after almost a decade of austerity and no wage growth. It must have been gutting to see Eastern Europeans undercutting wages and certainly lots of small towns had a huge influx, beyond what their infrastructure could cope with. Certainly in the NHS our wages would have been higher but for the constant import of cheap workers whether they be from within or outside the EU.

Merkel’s poor decision to open Germany's Borders to African economic migrants and the stories about women being sexually assaulted by hordes of migrants would have aided the leave vote.

It was all just a perfect storm really and I wasn’t at all surprised the vote went to leave, however much I disagree with the outcome.

Actually the previous poster who said about discontent in the EU is spot on. Greece is heavily indebted and has been bought to its knees, there is unrest in France and Italy. I think the EU will struggle and that other countries will also vote to Leave. I also think that is why Juncker et al are trying to punish us.

IheartNiles I really like your post.

IheartNiles excellent post