Remainer 'moral superiority'

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I voted Remain but I dithered and I can see both sides of the argument. (Am I the only one?! Everyone else seems to be so polarised.)

What gets me, especially when I've read discussions on here, is all the very vociferous Remainers who talk as though they have a claim to the moral high ground.

I find the accusation that Brexiteers are 'racist' particularly weird. Europe is mostly white like us. How does race play a card? If anything, letting our borders open to all and every European (majority white) means necessarily less room for other people from different countries and therefore different races.

In fact, what is the EU? A band of rich, predominantly white countries banding together to be more powerful. Fine, this might be best for our trade and prosperity. It might be pragmatic. We might like feeling we could go and live in Spain one day. But that's not the same as being morally 'better'.

But a lot of Remainers behave as though they are inherently 'virtuous' and Brexit is inherently 'evil.'

I don't get it.

I think the likelihood of a hard Brexit is slim.

I imagine we will leave like Iceland did. Really lots of drama and ‘it’s all going to go wrong’ and then it will actually be fine

Cantankerous I know it's happening and most people on here know the same but that doesn't stop us discussing the fallout. Don't forget that there was a strong possibility last night that we would see an amendment to keep us in a customs union if we were going to crash out with no deal. It was a very close call and there are even Tory politicians speaking up and saying that their colleagues are not going to be the ones to suffer if we end up crashing out with no deal. We are leaving but we can do it in a way that won't completely screw us.

But because of Brexit they are having to shift jobs to Germany so they have have their engines certified by EASA because the CAA won't be ready.

No, they are considering opening up a design approval center in germany, nothing has been confirmed one way or another and no jobs will be transferred from the UK or lost, unless you have insider knowledge.

How come everyone thinks there's going to be no food when Brexit happens? And what's different between this scare and the ones before the vote that didn't happen?

Haven't read the whole thread but:

1. Racist does not only refer to non white, it means against any race, so it includes people having a negative attitude towards Eastern Europeans for example. I'm sure many others have said the same previously.

1. Near where I live there was an enormous billboard on a major motorway which declared "Ze Germans are Coming , Vote Leave". It was an official Vote Leave campaign poster, there for weeks. I kid you not. Now tell me that's not racist. How it passed Advertising Standards I do not know.

I find the accusation that Brexiteers are 'racist' particularly weird.

2 things. You CAN be racist against people from a different country, even if they are the same hue as yourself

And plenty of leavers THINK that by voting leave, it will stop ALL immigrants coming into the country, of all colours.

I'm afraid when you say "letting our borders open to all and every European [...]means necessarily less room for other people from different countries and therefore different races" I think you reveal what you really think. That Britain is "full up" and if only all these pesky foreigners went away, we'd live in a land of milk and honey. .

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking - gulp.
Anyone who also gulps at this, please head on over to the Prepper topic. No tin foil hat nonsense; just common sense "just in case" ideas.

I would like for us to be less involved in skirmishes abroad and able to farm our own lands.

The way things are going with Putin and Trump, we WILL be involved in 'skirmishes abroad' (if that's how you want to put it). And as a tiny, isolated third country, rather than a member of a large bloc.

Did you see the news story about the price of dairy products rocketing? It's because we don't produce enough milk of our own and have to import it from other parts of the EU to meet demand. The associated tariffs and customs issues are preferential at the moment, obviously, but as a third country...

Those on a low income will be those who suffer most from Brexit, depending on how much the economy drops. Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage won't be without the funds for the next meal, holiday or whatever.

Usually it is felt to be moral to wish to help those on lower incomes.

I don't find the accusation that Brexiteers are racist weird, just inaccurate for the vast majority of those who I think voted Leave. Some will be, some xenophobic, but by no means all.

...although there is little the badly off in the UK need more for health and happiness as only 2 meals a day and much less food sadly....

@wendyowl - because those concerns were about when we leave. Haven't left yet.

Darling

Us producing our own milk would be one of the things it would be good to do

It’s ok to claim the moral high ground when it’s been discovered the people governing us won the Brexit vote through lies and dishonesty, and their arrogance at doing this free from consequence runs rampant through this entire shitshow.

We produce our own milk now.

Thank you so much for this post

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-dairy-products-butter-milk-cheese-industry-warning-lse-study-a8452501.html
NB there are other sources for this too, if you'd rather read a different one.

bellini yes, we do indeed produce our own milk; just not enough to prevent prices going up, as indicated by the managing director of Arla Foods UK here.

Cantankerous, 'Us producing our own milk would be one of the things it would be good to do'. As above, we already do; just not enough. And if you're talking about increasing production, how? Are we going to magic up more land? Somehow force the cows to produce more milk?

This seems to be the defence mechanism of leavers on MN. To claim victimisation. I've been on the EU referendum board for over 2 years and all I've seen is remainers asking leavers to articulate their views beyond soundbites. When this hasn't happened it has led to frustration not bile or vitriol.

Its amazing how some people rewrite history

I feel being in the EU is better for Britain and for Europe. But not, it's clesrly not better for other continents that we should do this.

However I suspect very few people voted with this in mind!

If I may, what I did find strange was that Boris, Farage and Cameron all jumped ship immediately. As though they didn’t want to be involved after all......

@user1457017537 it's almost as if they really didn't think there was a chance that the country would vote for such a preposterous idea as Brexit. It was all a game to try and climb to the top of the greasy political pole.

Farage has lost out on a nice income by Brexit winning.
Boris hoped to step in over Cameron by claiming he messed up Brexit thus getting the UKIP voters on his side.
Cameron was just plain incompetent.