To wonder how high the correlation is between Brexit supporters and Trump supporters

[Bearbehind]

The press conference with Theresa May and Donald Trump today was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed.

There's no logic in what Trump says, whether that be a recorded newspaper interview was 'fake news' or that he'd been in power for 160 days.

It seems he literally doesn't care what the truth is, he just says things as they pop into his head.

I honestly can't see why people support him, but likewise, I honestly can't see why people support Brexit.

Both defy logic to me.

The common theme between the 2 is immigration though.

Do Leave voters agree with Trump?

It is easy to sneer and dismiss the valid concerns of a large portion of the UK public. On another thread a poster provided information that 73% of pupils in London schools were BME. Not easy to dismiss or ignore these figures is it

*No, I think people can see the similarities with scapegoating minorities, overt nationalism, populist slogans and what was happening in the 1930's.

Some people seem to think that unless you're killing millions in concentration camps its basically not fascism. Fascism has many hallmarks.*

Honestly for several years now when spoilt middle class people start saying someone is a racist, nazi etc. a lot of normal people roll their eyes and know they are probably being a bit dishonest and having a bit of their special kind of fun.

The brutal irony is that now Trump benefits from that. If he is, as you think, the wolf, which he could be, then you can probably thank the little boy who cried wolf for the last 30 years for US voters rolling their eyes at the suggestion.

Honestly I think how brits see him is academic, most seem to view him as a bit of a tit, but then the UK does not vote in US elections.

On another thread a poster provided information that 73% of pupils in London schools were BME.

Its one school. White population of London is circa 55%. Do you have a problem with BME?

@bearbehind you need to look harder

Honestly for several years now when spoilt middle class people start saying someone is a racist, nazi etc. a lot of normal people roll their eyes and know they are probably being a bit dishonest and having a bit of their special kind of fun.

Why do you start from the premise of middle class? There were 250,000 people marching yesterday in London alone. They can't all be middle class. Both the Trump and Brexit campaigns portray themselves as some sort of working class crusade. In reality the campaigns are bank rolled and run by billionaires for the benefit of billionaires. The wc will get fucked over by both. Using class is a trojan horse.

Honestly I think how brits see him is academic, most seem to view him as a bit of a tit, but then the UK does not vote in US elections.

Desperate Brexit Britain needs a trade deal with this man. So it is far from academic.

Leave voter. Think trump is an idiot so no correlation here

In my sample size of 2 leave voters, both love Trump and both are are educated and have degrees.
And they’re both from ethnic minorities and think there’s too many of the ‘wrong’ type of immigrants.

UneMoonit - your point doesn't get more valid if you repeat it.

Trump IS a fascist (or Nazi if you prefer) and a white supremacist.

The only people who don't accept that are themselves fascists and white supremacists OR extremely stupid with no knowledge of history.

Which category do you personally fall into?

Beechview - your claim is sooo believable.

How convenient that you know two racist members of an unspecified ethnic minority who support Trump.

And they're not remotely made up. Oh no.

GhostofFrankGrimes in certain London areas it is a lot higher. There are, for instance, certain estates and areas in Whitechapel and Stepney where it is not safe to walk if you are white. Stop making it about racism all the time and listen to people’s genuine concerns. I personally didn’t like seeing young Muslim girls in long skirts, thick tights and scarves during the recent heatwave. I don’t want to live in a male dominated patriarchy either. I don’t want sharia law. Have I answered you

bearbehind you need to look harder

I shouldn’t need to though blaa

By now, 2 years after the vote and with only months to go until we supposedly leave, it should be blindingly obvious what all those intelligent reasons for leaving are.

And it’s not.

user, I think you've swallowed the EDL/Fox News play book. I'd like to see evidence of no go areas for whites. The rest of what you say is just fear mongering bollocks.

GhostofFrankGrimes of course you do darling

I think brexiteers have a theory that all opinion polls are stupid, don’t they?

Yeah, unless of course they’re private exit polls that can be used to make a killing shorting the £ on referendum night.

@KennDodd

What's that got to do with what I said?

Your logic seems to be "The EU must not be racist as an institution because racists don't like it". And you call leave voters thick?

@abilockhart

Go and ask Greek women how good the EU has been for them. The irrational and draconian measures the EU has forced the Greeks into have disproportionately effected women with some dire consequences.

The EU is not a progressive bastion of all that is good and progressive and those claiming it is are just as fucking thick as those who think immigrants are the reason for all our problems.

surfer

I’ve asked before - so what?

What do you want to do with this information?

Um - it’s a direct response to the OP? You know, the question in the title “To wonder how high the correlation is between Brexit supporters and Trump supporters”?

Trump appeals to the people who feel left behind and ignored in society

This may differ to the states from here and cross over at times but if people hadn’t had been left behind, if real money for industries that allowed all to prosper, if wage growth and standard of living had grown more equally we would not be in this situation. Far too many people are earning the same or in real value less than they were
10 years ago where certain industries and higher middgle wages have increased

We can blame Trump, Farage etc all we like but other areas of the political spectrum that held power have to also take responsibility

You will always be able to manipulate those who feel they are not being listened to its not so complex for our politicians to understand that it’s been done over and over in history

evidence request. sample size of the polls please? done online or done by vox pops during the day?

Link to results already provided. Methodology is on the website.

Trump is absolutely a Nazi (or fascist if you prefer - cba to get into a discussion of the semantical differences between Nazi and fascist) and a white supremacist.

OMG. Has Trump started rounding up and gassing Jews in their millions? Weird that none of the Jewish actors or actresses in Hollywood have been forced out of the profession yet and none wearing yellow stars. I guess I'll be able to read about all that in The Guardian though?

pffft I swear I’m telling the truth. I was just trying to illustrate that in my view, there is a correlation no matter what the voter’s background is.
I personally don’t get it and have actually had to stop talking politics with them as I think they’re actually ridiculous as children of immigrants themselves to hold such opinions.
My parents were also immigrants, but the ‘right kind’ according to them. Not according to people like Britain First though.
But it’s like talking to a brick wall and I just don’t get the mentality.
I do think they both lack empathy though.

Isn't it racist to think "immigrants" should have specific opinions based on allegiance to skin colour group, a bit like calling a black person a "coconut".

There were 250,000 people marching yesterday in London alone. They can't all be middle class

I thought they were all benefits scroungers and other feckless types. Sheesh, make up your mind. Which is it?

UneMoonit - your point doesn't get more valid if you repeat it.

Physician, heal thy self.

Trump IS a fascist (or Nazi if you prefer) and a white supremacist.

Trump is an idiot. The thing is this shit you're doing doesn't work any more.

Pretending everyone is a nazi reached critical mass some time ago. It works silencing and marginalizing people and shutting down debate up to a certain point, you can be satisfied that you have driven people out of public discourse for not being appropriate enough, but eventually you get to a point where it's not just a margin, MOST people can see room for skepticism, and many will see some issue that's a red line for them where you're a nazi, racist whatever for discussing it (I mean you're racist if you're angry about the Scottish fishing industry being killed for crying out loud).

Then you get things like the Trump vote, brexit etc where people are bloody mystified by a vote of people who have been driven out of their clean, appropriate, left-sanitized public discourse.

Way it is now, sometimes, sometimes if someone is being called a racist, nazi etc if you Google, it's actually true, so you have to be careful not to assume it's always bollocks. That's where we're at.

I live in a high Brexit area and don’t know anyone who is pro Trump.

I think there’s obviously still a strong case for suggesting Remainers think and hear only what they want to which means only the extremist Leavers can be bothered to engage, and when they do that adds further to the confirmation bias.

It's actually happening in microcosm with the "TERF* concept as well. If you don't want to debate whether women should have to have a moral basis for their consent, you're transphobic. It doesn't matter that you're not, you will be marginalized and decried for being so anyway, and eventually critical mass will be hit and people will view that accusation with scepticism, because they KNOW they and their friends are not hateful and horrible and they've been targeted as such. Same thing.