To wonder how high the correlation is between Brexit supporters and Trump supporters

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The press conference with Theresa May and Donald Trump today was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed.

There's no logic in what Trump says, whether that be a recorded newspaper interview was 'fake news' or that he'd been in power for 160 days.

It seems he literally doesn't care what the truth is, he just says things as they pop into his head.

I honestly can't see why people support him, but likewise, I honestly can't see why people support Brexit.

Both defy logic to me.

The common theme between the 2 is immigration though.

Do Leave voters agree with Trump?

Oh thank goodness for this thread. It's been at least a week since I came across a thread suggesting all leave voters are thick racists who probably love Trump and kill puppies in their spare time. I was starting to worry!

"Not all leave voters are puppy killers but all puppy killers are leave voters", guessed the painfully woke.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering if there's a correlation between how much the racist leave voters and the middle class remainers actually know about the EU. I'd like to guess equally little. They were both just swayed by "get the foreigners out" on one side and "if you vote leave you're a racist" on the other. Neither of those things is actually true.

Everyone I know that actually knew anything about the EU before all the propaganda voted to leave and would vote to leave again. Most of them educated, none of them racist and definitely no trump supporters.

Perhaps the "bad" leavers are also trump supporters. In answer to the actual question this thread is asking. That doesn't make everyone else who voted leave wrong. There were bad apples in both camps. I know young people that voted to remain because they didn't want to have to fill in any forms when going on holiday and that was their only reason for voting to remain. Are they not as equally "thick" as leavers who voted for controls on immigration? They're definitely more selfish. That's 100% about themselves. Leavers voting on immigration think they're doing their country a favour, at least (disclaimer: I disagree with this).

Why demonise 52% of people that voted in this referendum? I've rarely seen the same from leavers towards remainers. It's this bizarre attitude that is making people "act out" and vote for trump etc. Even I find some people's attitudes so smug and unpleasant that it puts me off agreeing with them, even if they might be right.

People who voted leave for intelligent, valid reasons would never support a racist, homophobic, misogynistic idiot like trump

The trouble is, I've been looking for those 'intelligent, valid reasons to Leave' and they just don't seem to exist.

Certainly not to the extent they are worth what we lose.

I think your hypothesis that there is a correlation between voting Leave and 'supporting' Trump has been proven incorrect. Without counting them up, a significant majority of responses from Leave voters is that they do not support Trump.

Trump and Brexit are two cheeks from the same populist arse.

Honestly, do middle class whites people genuinely believe that suggesting over and over that leave voters are thick racists is going to make anybody go "hang on, they're right! Well I've seen the error of my ways. No more casual racism or voting the "wrong way" for me!"

I think your hypothesis that there is a correlation between voting Leave and 'supporting' Trump has been proven incorrect

Do you think the hypothesis that there is a correlation between supporting Trump and voting Leave is correct?

So a Trump supporter is highly likely to be a Leave voter?

The campaigns of both had similarities;

Find a common enemy - The EU/foreigners/Muslims
Play up nationalism: we want our country back/Make America great again
Denounce your critics: Fake news/Project fear
Portray a nostalgia for the past: bring back heavy industry/coal
Denounce multi-culturalism - don't like how community has changed/American/British values etc

Ghost: similarities but the opposition both had exactly the same campaign "if you vote leave/for trump you're a thick, racist bigot" - and look how badly that campaign method has turned out time and again...

Among people I know - 100%

if you vote leave/for trump you're a thick, racist bigot" - and look how badly that campaign method has turned out time and again...

I think its difficult to deny that there weren't bigoted/xenophobic elements to both campaigns. Both campaigns played on dog whistles. Its seems something both Trump/Brexit voters do not want to face up to.

I only know 2 people who voted leave (well that I know of)

1 (my dp) hates Trump.
The other (friends dh) loves him and was very vocal yesterday that all the protesters at the march in London should 'go and get jobs' (because of course only the unemployed would be there) friends dh is an absolute bell end and I wish she'd never married him

I suspect my dm, DB and... actually most of my family now i think about it probably voted leave and probably like Trump.
I think I'm adopted

Honestly, do middle class whites people genuinely believe that suggesting over and over that leave voters are thick racists is going to make anybody go "hang on, they're right! Well I've seen the error of my ways. No more casual racism or voting the "wrong way" for me!"

Which middle class whites people do you mean?

Most leavers I know have seen the error of their ways, actually. :) They're like, fuck, did I really believe Farage, Johnson, Davis, Gove, Rees-Mogg in a cheating campaign would serve my interests? Did I really think that Brexit would work out well for the country? Ooops.

Most people know we are fucked. I think it will be interesting when financial services go, considering they are the biggest contributor to our economy...Billions of tax revenue lost.

Today my NHS appointment for my daughter that I got in April for August was cancelled, we'll go in November. Once Brexit kicks in and there really is No money left, the working people are absolutely fucked.

And we still haven't solved the Irish border problem. Ho hum.
But yes, remainers are selfish fucks.

Racecardriver

There is no such thing as free trade in the real world though.

Why would anyone knowingly vote for a mirage, and a mirage which will make us all much poorer?

Kenndodd*

You clearly missed or chose not see the all the minority groups who campaigned and argued for leave. How do you you think low paid minority groups have faired with open borders secondly have you not heard of the great white fortress of the eu?

Ie stopping immigration from out side the eu, ie Africa India etc.

Born out by the now clear feelings of countries turning to the right agaisnt migration and leaders like Victor orban.

A normal immigration policy allowing the people best suited to enter the country is the fairest way to proceed. Not allow anyone in with no skills etc over skilled people from all over the the world no matter what race or colour.

The great white fortress.

You clearly missed or chose not see the all the minority groups who campaigned and argued for leave.

Can you name them?

No, of course they can't name them, because they don't exist.

Leave suits multi-millionaire disaster capitalists like Farage, Odey and Rees-Mogg, who will clean up as our country sinks.

It’s the ones who still think it’s a good idea who support trump, the ones obsessed with immigrants.
I still think it's a good idea, I'm not obsessed with immigrants (they weren't part of my reason for voting out) & I detest Trump. But don't let that stop you from deciding that just because you think something it automatically becomes fact.

Recent YouGov / ITV polling found that Leave voters were way more likely to think Trump a good president or have a favourable view of Trump.

Total Favourable View:
Leave: 30%
Remain: 4%

Total Unfavourable View:
Leave: 62%
Remain: 93%

Trump is a Good/Great President:
Leave: 24%
Remain: 3%

Trump is a Poor/Terrible President:
Leave: 46%
Remain: 85%

Remain voters were also much more likely to regard Trump as racist and sexist than Leave voters.

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I think brexiteers have a theory that all opinion polls are stupid, don’t they?

Trump is a combination of two things.

First, he's full of it, abrasive and not dignified.

Second, left wing people lie a lot about people being Nazis etc.

You can recognize Trump as not being someone you would not vote for, whilst at the same time recognizing that he is no more a "nazi", "white supremacist" etc. than he is a chess grand master who worked out how the PM should do brexit in his lunch break one day.

Recent YouGov / ITV polling found that Leave voters were way more likely to think Trump a good president or have a favourable view of Trump

I’ve asked before - so what?

What do you want to do with this information?

Some people, because they are virtue signalling extremists, deliberately conflate refusal to "get on board" with saying person x is literally Hitler, with supporting them, because it serves their own ends.

It's a bit like this "far right people support thing, you support thing, therefore you are far right" which is some of the most disingenuous and illogical bunk around. I mean the third Reich was keen on nationalized industry, so Corbyn is far right... pull the bloody other one.

Second, left wing people lie a lot about people being Nazis etc

No, I think people can see the similarities with scapegoating minorities, overt nationalism, populist slogans and what was happening in the 1930's.

Some people seem to think that unless you're killing millions in concentration camps its basically not fascism. Fascism has many hallmarks.

evidence request. sample size of the polls please? done online or done by vox pops during the day? Both of those skew the results. (I have looked on the yougov site but can't find the polls referenced; I did find another regarding the Trump visit, reported as gospel by our fuckwit journos but sample size was under 2000 people, and probably all in London clutching coffee...)

we did a big opinion poll. Slightly more than 1/3 said leave, slightly less said stay, the rest didn't vote. Some of those may not have voted because the question was impossible, although that is only a guess like everything else on this thread.

but then most of MN only understands absolutes so are either Farage or Geldof. Both of whom are unattractive role models to put it mildly.