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To want to speak to my brother about his wedding

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DaphneCrane · 02/07/2018 10:38

My brother got married on Saturday. My mother felt very left out in The weeks leading up to the event. My parents offered some money and he accepted but it was something for the house he chose to spend money on. Fair enough!
My mother did start asking me about bridesmaids/ushers etc. Finally a few weeks ago my brother came round... he lives 90 miles awy. He asked me how I felt about no kids at wedding. I said that I would be upset but would accept it but I think mum and dad would be devastated. Her niece was chosen as bridesmaid but was leaving before reception. Well off he went to mum’s and a few days later my eldest child was asked to be an attendant. We were told that the outfit could be bought at a certain shop in their home town. Against my husband’s wishes off I trekked to get outfit. Then my brother made noises about my inlaws... could they trek the best part of 100 miles to hold my younger child outside church? My husband at this point wanted to leave kids at home. I refused.
So wedding arrives eldest child really didn’t want to walk down aisle but managed it. Not a squeak out of baby.
Arrived at reception. My husband and children were separated from me and actually put into an orangery type thing attached to the main room. My husband was joined by my cousin’s partner and her child (whose presence another one my mother fought for) and by the bride’s brother in law. He apparently bellowed at cousin’s partner and asked her if she was the one who insisted the kids were invited. My husband pointed out that no that would be his wife. They then sat in silence for two hours just speaking with the kids. No alcohol could be served in this veranda thing. Kids tried to get down so cousin’s partner took them in grounds but was told by maitre d type person speeches were now on so she couldn’t go back in.
Both my mum and I were in tears. My dad wanted to say something to brother but we didn’t let him. My husband went upstairs with kids and stayed there all night not letting anyone relieve him. He is completely pissed off with me saying he wanted to punch arsey brother-in-law of sister-in-law. He is saying to just leave it but I want to talk to my brother. Do people think this was my fault. We are actually still in hotel trying to have a holiday. and my dad is paying.

OP posts:
S0upertrooper · 02/07/2018 21:58

A very long time ago (1990) we arranged and paid for our own wedding. We would have preferred to have just lived together or eloped but we gave in to parental pressure to do the 'right' thing. I have several siblings with DC, I felt pressured to have my DNs as flower girls and also felt under pressure to have SIL as a brides maid as according to her mother (my MIL) all she ever wanted was to be a bridesmaid 🤮. DH had no nieces or nephews but a cousin he hadn't seen for years had a DC aged 2, neither of us knew this DC. Reluctantly the cousin and her DH were invited but DC wasn't and all hell broke loose. MIL threatened non attendance and kicked off big time. We reluctantly invited the cousin's DC but expected they would bring food, sandwich, yoghurt, fruit etc. They wanted a £15 meal for child which wasn't eaten and then cousins, DC, aunt, uncle, MIL, FIL all sat in bar for duration of the reception because it was too noisy for DC, before leaving early.

I will NEVER dictate my or anyone else's attendance at a wedding because I understand how upsetting it was for us. If you don't like it don't go, simple. It caused a rift between us and my ILs that has never recovered.

OP from where I'm standing I feel you and your DM were VU.

Dungeondragon15 · 02/07/2018 22:00

So if DP and I get married, and we invite his sister, BIL and niece, who I'm very close to, does that mean we have to invite his other sister, who is a snidey bitch

You don't have to invite anyone but you can't expect people not to be offended if they are close family. Obviously it doesn't matter if you and your DP hate them anyway though.

slashlover · 02/07/2018 22:09

They invited them but then put them in a separate room away from the reception where the adults looking after them couldn't even get a drink. I don't blame OP for being upset or her DH for being angry.

FFS! It's entirely possible that the venue was booked with the thought that no kids would be at the reception. Then when OPs DM guilted them into inviting the kids, a separate room was the only way they could be in the venue. There can be certain licensing laws in certain places.

Shortstuff08 · 03/07/2018 04:38

They invited them but then put them in a separate room away from the reception where the adults looking after them couldn't even get a drink. I don't blame OP for being upset or her DH for being angry.

Because they HAD to invite them because of the Ops mother. There's no rules ab9ut who Is entitled to an invite.

The bride had her niece as a bridesmaid. But the niece was going straight home after ceremony. Because ops mother moaned and the groom caved, they had to extend the nieces invite. They didn't want kids there. It's not stance I particularly agree with. However, it's their party. Which is what it is. A party.

Don't forget that the Ops at is pissed off, because he knew they didn't want kids there and so didn't want to take them. It's just the Ops and her mother that were determined their kids were going.

HalfSiblingsMadeContact · 03/07/2018 05:36

I've only read the first few posts. However - I once went to a wedding exactly like this. Declared "child-free" despite the fact that the groom's sister had children exactly the right age to be involved. Yet a couple of children from the bride's side were involved as attendants (and allowed at reception). Noting that the "child-free" demand came from the bride. This marriage did not last, and I don't think this marriage is going to last either.

Child-free weddings are appropriate when immediate family doesn't include children. I thoroughly disagree with excluding immediate siblings' children from weddings (or siblings themselves, if young, for that matter).

BoneyBackJefferson · 03/07/2018 06:34

HalfSiblingsMadeContact

... and I don't think this marriage is going to last either.

It won't last if the OP and her DM keep sticking their noses in.

SnuggyBuggy · 03/07/2018 06:40

You should either invite children and host properly or not invite at all. Inviting children for ceremony photos and not the reception or shoving them and their parents in a different room is tacky and rude.

Your mother really didn't help by interfering.

SharronNeedles · 03/07/2018 07:08

Okay, so they wanted (and booked) a child free wedding. They had to adapt this to accommodate not only your children, but your cousin's children and the BILs children. So there are an extra 5 guests (assuming the baby was babe in arms, usually not counted in a headcount and the cousin also had 2 kids).
So let's just say that the price per adult was £55 for the breakfast and therefore children may have been discounted down to £35. So an extra £175 is no small amount really considering a 2yo and 4yo probably aren't going to eat the full meal and behave themselves.

I've worked in the wedding industry for over 10 years and I actually dislike working a wedding where children are invited (usually) and I wholeheartedly agree with child free weddings because:

Most venues have a maximum capacity. They can't go above this for fire regulations and space. I'm not sure how many of you have carried a red hot plate from a regen oven and had to squash your way around a very crowded breakfast room where you can hardly fit between the chairs, but it fricken hurts and you're filled with the fear that you're just going to let go of the plate to save your burning hand. If the B&G had planned to invite say 50 guests and reached capacity, they then would have needed to find a way to accommodate an extra 5 (highchairs do count btw) so this may have been either a) disinvite some of their friends/extended family members b) pop the kids with a parent each into a side room. Seems they made the fairest choice. The alcohol issue may have been that that room is not licenced. If that is the case, there is no way you would get a venue to break their licencing agreement and possibly face a fine, a loss of liquor licence, individual staff fines and immediate dismissals.

On top of that, the waste from kids is much higher, on average they don't eat the full meal, they make a mess, ruin chair covers and table linen which perhaps the B&G wanted to reuse for the nighttime (instead of paying for it again).

Finally, children are messy and loud. I've seen so many speeches ruined by kids running around, knocking over wine, shouting, watching iPads etc. Yes even the well behaved ones will ask to go to the loo just as the bride's says "I will" or when FIL is getting emotional in his speech. I've had a very close shave when I was serving very hot soup in a very hot plate and a young child decided to run up to me and tug on my dress causing me to spill the soup. If it had of landed on them, they would have gone to hospital (yes food does come out of the kitchen red hot if you have any distance to walk). Kids also usually bring toys which are scattered around the table and the floor, making it difficult to serve.

Yes I love it when my DS is invited places, and I got weepy when he wasn't invited to a recent wedding, but purely because I liked the thought of dressing him up and taking cute pictures. Bride's wouldn't have gained anything from having him there, in reality, I would have been running around after him all night and early to bed so missed the reception, he wouldn't have liked being stuffed in a suit and told to be quiet and still...basically just no.

SharronNeedles · 03/07/2018 07:18

I swear I used paragraphs in that....

longwayoff · 03/07/2018 07:29

You agreed to these prima donna demands so why complain now? Its done and turned out as you expected. ?????

ChocolateDoll · 03/07/2018 07:38

Gosh! That’s quite an anti-children spiel, Sharron!

slashlover · 03/07/2018 08:07

Noting that the "child-free" demand came from the bride.

Did they actually tell you that is was her decision?

Child-free weddings are appropriate when immediate family doesn't include children.

They are appropriate when it's what the B&G want.

You should either invite children and host properly or not invite at all. Inviting children for ceremony photos and not the reception or shoving them and their parents in a different room is tacky and rude.

They didn't invite them though. Then when coerced into it they did the best to accommodate.

ReanimatedSGB · 03/07/2018 08:24

I think Sharron absolutely has a point - though it's not so much the fault of the children as of the self-obsessed twatty parents.

SnuggyBuggy · 03/07/2018 08:37

Their best wasn't good enough. Mum needed to be told no, we cannot accommodate more guests.

And having child flower girls and then an adult reception is very tacky.

Dungeondragon15 · 03/07/2018 11:14

Because they HAD to invite them because of the Ops mother. There's no rules ab9ut who Is entitled to an invite.

They didn't HAVE to invite them because of OP's mother. Even if they did feel unable to refuse her that is hardly the OP's fault. They should at least have had the courtesy to let OP know that the children weren't really invited and that they would be kept in a separate room with supervising adults with no drinks etc.

SharronNeedles · 03/07/2018 13:17

Chocolate it certainly reads that way doesn't it?! Sorry, I do adore children and have my own! But practically they make the majority of wedding and event managers heart plummet because we've had to deal with all the naughty ones most weekends and yet we get the blame (that's another rant!).
The good ones often go forgotten (as with most things).

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 03/07/2018 13:27

I don't agree that it's an "anti-children" post, Sharron - it's an "anti-children-at-weddings" post, which is another matter entirely and fair enough!

Shortstuff08 · 03/07/2018 14:04

Even if they did feel unable to refuse her that is hardly the OP's fault. They should at least have had the courtesy to let OP know that the children weren't really invited and that they would be kept in a separate room with supervising adults with no drinks etc.

They clearly felt they had to. The ops at wanted to leave them at home, he knew they weren't welcome. So why didn't the op? She also kept pushing for the children to be there, even though it was clear that's not what the bride and groom wanted.

Yes the bride and groom probably should have told people that kids would be in an adjoining room. However, they probably felt a bit aggrieved that the groom's mum was creating and they felt like they had to invite some kids. I think if you push someone into doing something, you can't complain about how they do it.

It's not the Ops fault that her mum caused this. But it's the Ops fault she kept pushing for her kids to be there (despite other people knowing the kids weren't really welcome) and it's her who suggested having a word with her dbro and carrying this on.

cricketmum84 · 03/07/2018 14:24

Your brother, while you may have not agreed with him, specified no kids at the wedding. It was his and his new wife's decision and I think it was a bit selfish to go against that and cause a fuss.

Think about this honestly - what good will come out of you now confronting him about what a shit time you had? This may come across rather controversial but the whole reason you didn't enjoy yourself is because you took the kids is it not? You were worried about them sitting alone, DH spending the night in his room? Maybe this was the reason your bro decided to make it a kid free wedding in the first place?

Their wedding, their rules IMHO.

fieryginger · 03/07/2018 14:27

I wouldn't confront your brother to appease your husband. What's done is done. It can't be changed. And if this wedding was a disaster for you, what's the point in making it bad for your brother, it was his wedding day.

Of course, this means you, DM and DH have to suck it up and not be long term annoyed with your brother. But considering you and DM forced the issue, I think it's the wisest thing to do.

I think DH was right in thinking him staying home with DC would've been best.

I sympathise that your DM felt left out though, but it's difficult being 90 miles away for her to be included as much as if she were local to DH/SIL.

BlackberryandNettle · 03/07/2018 14:33

I wouldn't raise this with my brother now as really what will be gained? I can understand wanting a child free wedding to an extent if masses of guests have kids - numbers wise it makes a huge difference. Excluding immediate siblings children seems harsh though, they are members of the couple's family and presumably people they love. I can't imagine having 3 children at a wedding meal would make a huge difference to the atmosphere and for me would be preferable to
1 being a poor host to children and parents (family members as well 😮)
2 losing the three adult family members from the occasion

DagenhamRoundhouse · 03/07/2018 17:34

Weddings seem to be about the most divisive social event anyone can organise/attend.

Why don't we all just elope?

user1484424013 · 03/07/2018 17:42

Hold on the sil niece was invited are you people reading this actually that stupid.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 03/07/2018 17:42

I think it’s you that needs a talking to; not your brother... Your kids were not welcome at a child free wedding, everything that happened subsequently started with that fact that you couldn’t accept.

FaveNumberIs2 · 03/07/2018 17:48

No kids means no kids. If I were you, I’d have just not gone to the wedding. Your brother and his wife sound like tits.

But, arguing about it now won’t solve anything. Just move on and distance yourself from them.