AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women'

[R0wantrees]

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman.

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

There has been assertions on Mumsnet and elsewhere to use the descriptor 'non-trans woman'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289890-great-piece-by-academic-kathleen-stock-mentions-mn

and not using the descriptor 'cis woman' is deemed by some to be transphobic.

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.

Fucking hell.

Oh and YANBU of course.

YANBU

And I love Adichie.

Non-men.

Urgh, that just makes me shudder. What were they thinking??

What is the Green party’s excuses for using the word men, but not women? Have they ever addressed that obvious double standard?

Trans women being women I don't see why we can't just say 'women'. Easier all round for everyone!

And in the event that distinguishing is necessary, I have no problem (as a cis woman) with the term 'cis'. I am aware that others find this offensive and would happily consider an alternative if it was suggested - but I fear that any such term would be considered offensive by those who don't view transwomen as women so it is a difficult problem to resolve.

Non-men? It’s going to be bloody non-human soon. I am women, hear me roar.

YANBU

And neither am i neurotypical

Rowan yanbu.

I saw that post where the narcissist TRA tried to claim that their pain from being infertile (having been born with a penis) was equal to yours and was disgusted that they should try to attention seek on the back of your experience.

You are all woman.

How the fucking hell have we reached a point where no-one can say they're a woman without having to qualify that they are, in fact, someone who is female?

How have TRAs got so much power that they seem to be holding all the cards? Seriously, there must be something going on here, everyone knows what a man and a woman is, even if some are polite enough to say a man is a woman, they still know the truth. It's really quite sinister.

'It's really quite sinister.'

It sure is. 'Non man'???? Fuck that. Very much.

Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie is great and has been very clear on this

It is a difficult problem to resolve

It really isn't.

I personally won’t describe myself as cis-gendered. Fine if others want to, but if we’re talking equal rights on terms of address, I’m going to apply them to myself as well as others.

Non-men?! Yes that’s real progress, to allow women to be defined purely by what we are not, to appease a small minority of trans people.

YADNBU.

Since when do we need a qualifying prefix to describe something we AREN'T?
I'm not cis anything. It's utter bollocks!

call me woman not non man.

though some would say I am a man given I wear boots, trousers, hoody every day, some of my clothes were designed for men. I like listening to cricket and doing diy. I can park better than some men. (ex) and map read. sounds like a male brain, but no... every neurone has double xx chromosomes which makes it a female brain.

'Non men' ba ha ha ha!

Why aren't men called 'women with willies?!'

Not livesstock if we can't distinguish trans woman from woman how would we be able to record violent attacks on trans women? Wouldn't they just be classified as attacks on women? I may be a feminist but I would like accurate reporting on hate crimes of all individuals.

Of course you aren't. I'm an advocate for trans-equality and I usually call myself a woman rather than a cis woman

When specifically discussing gender issues I do use the terms cis and trans. I feel it's polite to use a descriptive prefix for both, so as not to make one in some way "lesser"

In exacty the same way I only refer to children as neurotypical when discussing autistic spectrum disorders. Again referering to NT children and autistic children feels more polite to me than autistic children and children or "normal" children

Notlivestock
Why are you a cis woman?
I’m a black woman and have female friends who might say they were white women or black women or Chinese women etc etc.
Not one of them would say CIS woman

Trans women being women I don't see why we can't just say 'women'. Easier all round for everyone!

And in the event that distinguishing is necessary, I have no problem (as a cis woman) with the term 'cis'. I am aware that others find this offensive and would happily consider an alternative if it was suggested - but I fear that any such term would be considered offensive by those who don't view transwomen as women so it is a difficult problem to resolve.

Transwomen are MEN
Hands up everyone on this thread who agrees with the above poster, who thinks people can change sex.

Nope woman not a trans woman but a woman. Trans women are not women they are trans women. See no cis needed.

And the greens are bat shit crazy on most issues bless them