AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women'

[R0wantrees]

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman.

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

There has been assertions on Mumsnet and elsewhere to use the descriptor 'non-trans woman'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289890-great-piece-by-academic-kathleen-stock-mentions-mn

and not using the descriptor 'cis woman' is deemed by some to be transphobic.

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters

Oh for the love of God, non-men?! Really?!

Chimamanda got an absolute pasting when she came out and said this. Doesn't make her wrong, of course.

I was watching on YouTube earlier.

She talks about women as a sex. It was so fucking refreshing.

Woman and trans woman are the only terms we need.

No, YANBU

And I saw that exchange too StealthNinjaMum, it was breathtakingly unkind

it is a difficult problem to resolve

Er no it isn't. If you are born female you are a woman, if you are born male you are a man. I am a woman and anyone who refers to me a cis woman told where to go. I would also refuse to complete any forms using that term.

When specifically discussing gender issues I do use the terms cis and trans. I feel it's polite to use a descriptive prefix for both, so as not to make one in some way "lesser"

So it doesn't matter that you are making women 'lesser' by using the ridiculous term 'cis'?

OP this is perfect and I’m sure it expresses how a lot of women feel.

”I have no problem (as a cis woman) with the term 'cis'. I am aware that others find this offensive and would happily consider an alternative if it was suggested”

No need to tie ourselves in knots to come up with a word to describe adult human females, we already have one. Women.

I don’t know if I’m oversimplifying things and missing some bigger picture but why can’t trans women be called trans women?

So I’m a woman
My mate Pete is a man
And my mate Jane is a trans woman.

It doesn’t seem that difficult. I don’t understand how, if that’s what they are, trans people cannot be call trans man/woman.

I also don’t understand why we can’t have male, female, disabled, trans, mixed changing rooms/toilets/etc.
Why do we need to even start problems by trying to mix all these groups together. Just have spaces and names for each individual group.

And fuck right off with the Cis woman crap.

Was it Laurie Penny who (apparently quite seriously) asked on Twitter if there was a convenient term for people with uteruses etc?

YANBU.

I think it's horrific to equate a woman with gynae cancer and the treatment to a trans status.

A trans man will never experience testicular cancer, prostate cancer, or penile cancer. And men who do experience these cancers, with loss of their reproductive parts, don't become trans men.

'Transwomen are MEN'

Yep. This. Forever.

In order to become a trans woman and therefore an advocate for trans rights you would have to have been male in the first place.

Was it Laurie Penny who (apparently quite seriously) asked on Twitter if there was a convenient term for people with uteruses etc?

‘Breeders’? We’re referred to by this delightful term on some trans forums

I used to be ok with saying trans women are trans women (never trans women are women, because they're not), but more recently with all the pressure to comply to lies, and to censor words and biology, I'm increasingly uncomfortable referring to men as women in any way.

Sex is sex, you can't change that. Anyone who says you can is a liar.

I agree.

It's simple. There are woman and trans woman. Men and trans men.

Cis is a nonsense.

I don't usually read these types of threads nor comment. I hate that fabulous feminists and women are being silenced and oppressed and name called and have negative terms they dislike forced upon them. However it is a minefield of issues as transgender people are also victims of prejudice and hate.

So whilst I am not trying to join in any big debate on rights or wrongs of all the complicated issues, I do want to say that I find being called a cis-woman offensive. It is not a label i would ever self chooseand why should I? I am female or a woman. Those are my labels if I need one. And I & all women out there already live under/ fight/ every week against constant misogyny and sexual discriminatory entrenched behaviour whether it is organisational or at individual level.

I really don't want to feel woman are being further oppressed when we have made so much headway on gender politics over the last 30 years.

We shouldn't have to fight with anyone, there is room in the world to seek equality without denigrating others oppressed groups.

I really think we should all be able to get on and live and let live and no one should step on others down to achieve equal respect.

I am not a cis woman, I am a woman [angry

I don’t know if I’m oversimplifying things and missing some bigger picture but why can’t trans women be called trans women?

Because they are men colonising the word ‘woman’ and taking it for themselves and pushing women into the terms ‘non-men’ or ‘cis women’.

'Transwomen are MEN'

‘Yep. This. Forever.’

No they are not, they are Trans women.

Honestly just give them their correct term.

It’s crap like this from both sides of the fence that is escalating this into a huge problem with violence and loss of identity for both sides.

They are Trans women, not men. Just like I am a woman not a man or a cis woman or any other term people are trying to push on me.
A man is just that, a man they are not a trans man or trans woman. Men are within their right to be a man and not confused with a trans woman.

This is why we need to have the ‘trans’ classification. To make it fair all round and to stop ridiculous labelling that is getting more and more crazy.

From the article

we are always striving to practice correct intersectional feminism and to be as inclusive as we can. because that's what good little women do. God forbid that feminism should be about women.

Yes this ridiculous situation is spiralling out of control.

Canada has gone for the Self-ID fantasy.

This is an interesting account, from a man, who presents as feminine, but always insists he is NOT a woman. The anti-women "woke" brigade hate him.

twitter.com/JennSmith64

My sister went to an open day at Queen Mary's in London with my DN at the weekend. She went to us the toilets in the SU and they had men's, disabled and gender neutral. Are women generally just being lumped in as "other" now??

@Bobbybear10
It’s crap like this from both sides of the fence that is escalating this into a huge problem with violence and loss of identity for both sides.

The violence and loss of identity is happening to women.