AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women'

[R0wantrees]

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman.

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

There has been assertions on Mumsnet and elsewhere to use the descriptor 'non-trans woman'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289890-great-piece-by-academic-kathleen-stock-mentions-mn

and not using the descriptor 'cis woman' is deemed by some to be transphobic.

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters

dinosaursandtea it is not hateful to be able to identify things correctly. People are not assigned a gender at birth, their biological sex is observed. 'Assigned at birth' is a term used for intersex people. Why would someone who is not intersex want to appropriate that terminology.

Gender has not been proved to be innate, however, sexual stereotypes are what make up most, if not all, of what people talk about when they talk about gender identity. This is based on what I have read about people talking about 'gender identity' but maybe someone has some additional insight.

Otherwise what is gender? If people want to associate this with the things they like or don't like, fine. But please do not assume we all have or want a 'gender identity'. Or are being hateful for not having a gender identity.

Sorry, double posted, I've reported.

Just to say, also, individual trans people are just people, some lovely, I know some, some maybe not. But the trans movement is very negative towards women, and in some cases towards trans men too.

So before anyone accuses anyone of hate, maybe worth thinking about why so many women who have been very trans affirming in the past are now worried at what the activists (not the regular people) are doing in the name of their trans ideology.

Take a look at things through the eyes of a trans man before accuses women of hate.

4thwavenow.com/2016/04/27/shrinking-to-survive-a-former-trans-man-reports-on-life-inside-queer-youth-culture/

i wasn't assigned a gender at birth. My sex was observed. The end.

I am not a non man
I am not a cis women
I am not a breedet
I am not a non trans woman

I am a woman and you can fuck right off with your labels to justify your delusions.

And I do dislike the assumption that all trans women are desperate to get into women’s spaces so that they can assault them with their dangerous penises.

Well if that's what women were saying, I would agree.

Transwomen are no different to men in general in terms of crime patterns. So your comment only make sense if you think that sex segregation should be abandoned altogether.

Furthermore, the sort of people who are aligning themselves to the trans ideology are absolutely telling women that they are dangerous.

They have already been convicted of battery of a 60-year-old woman, sent bomb threats, and routinely threaten to rape and attack women.

The ideology is like a misogyny magnet.

If there is anyone, anyone at all, who can explain to me how we identify dangerous men from non-dangerous men, I'd be delighted to hear it.

Because once we've got that, we can all pack up and go home.

Use of the term 'assign' surely implies some element of choice or decision-making on the part of the person doing the assigning? No such decision-making process took place when I was born, or either of my children. Purely observation.

"Well, there are far too many women in the world, they're now more than 50% of the population, we'd better start assigning 'male' to more infants."

I was assigned a gender at birth. I was assigned the subordinate gender, by virtue of my observed sex. I was indoctrinated into this gender every waking moment by both subliminal and explicit ubiquitous messages. I, and every other human who is observed to share my sex, are the second sex, the non-men, the ones that society expects to look pretty, change nappies and get fucked.
I don't 'match' my oppression, I don't 'agree with' the subordination of my sisters, I don't 'feel comfortable' with the confines of the caste of femininity under patriarchy.

So No, I say a giant no fucking way to 'cis'

I’m not a cis woman. I find that offensive. But as I was informed “it’s 2018, men can have babies too you know!”

I’m a woman. Period.

Certain groups love their labels. There are about 328 different genders now apparently - might have got exact number wrong - they’re mostly younger people who’ve come up with all this. Remember that every generation invented sex? This is just another version of that.

People generally tolerate nonsense from the young, but trying to redefine biology is a step too far imo. It’s as bad as teaching creationism as scientific fact in schools. Again, religion is generally tolerated even though it teaches nonsense, but it shouldn’t be able to replace cold, hard, rational and scientific truths. There lies insanity.

2 + 2 can never = 5

The only men having babies are women...

I'm neither a non-woman nor a cis-woman. I am a woman, an adult human female.

YADNBU

Here's Laurie Penny's tweet wondering how to refer to those people who have a uterus.

twitter.com/pennyred/status/840283430113931264?lang=en

"Also- while we're on this, someone tell me, what's a shorter non-essentialist way to refer to 'people who have a uterus and all that stuff'?"

No. She wasn't joking. This is someone who writes for The Guardian by the way.

So we are now to be defined only in relation to men. Men are the incorruptible master template, with the right to fully own and embody their bodies and identities, safe from redefinition, encroachment and appropriation. Meanwhile, we are merely non-men, the leftovers, everything else? We are whatever they decide we are. Right. This is offensive on so many levels.

Why non-men and not non-women?
Serious question.

Why non-men, and not non-women?

Serious question.

Sorry for dup!

Sorry for dup. Phone playing up.

I've told ds that if he calls me 'cis' one more time, I will cut off all financial support plus his non financial appendages, and jump on his PS4 and his laptop. . He has finally worked out that it irritates me to referred to as a 'cis' woman. I am a woman, end of.

Men want to do this, - language, rights, everything, so it's happening. The end.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16311379.schools-forget-girls-in-rush-to-adopt-pro-trans-guidance-campaigners-claim-as-christian-group-threatens-legal-action/

I don't know if I'm the only one who's seeing this, but there are loads of duplicated posts on this thread. And duplicated posts could potentially mean duplicate deletions.

I am not cis. I am a woman. YADNBU.

And anyone who wants to claim that transwomen are just another type of woman needs to be able to define the word "woman". My definition is "adult human female" If you can come up with an alternative definition that includes those human females plus all transwomen and no men then I'd be fascinated to hear.

Any white men who fancy going to a black community and telling them that you are black and they can damn well call themselves something else! I'd like to see that.

I'm a man btw not a cis man. My daughters are women and my sons are men. No other term needed as there are only biological men and women.

Not that anyone tries that nonsense with me. This is just an attack on women.

Yes, men want this. And as usual, the needs and desires of women are not even a consideration. Whether or not women want to be redefined and put into this extraordinarily offensive "other" category doesn't even occur to the type of sinister misogynist who thought of this sickening, 'non-men' term. It's things like this which, of they establish, are a huge step backward. They are to be fought hard as they pop up.

"non-men" "misc" "other"... It's a form of objectification to simply change our label, redefine us, no permission needed so none sought. Implies we are not important enough. Note how men keep their label and become the standard for the human species.

Watch this. Language is important, it forms thinking and therefore it forms action.

This is not about the transgendered. This is about women's rights as whole, dignified human beings, perfect and not lesser.