AIBU to say that I am a woman, not a 'non-man' 'non-trans woman' or 'cis women'

[R0wantrees]

I was born female.

I started having periods aged 11.

I started IVF in my late 30s and was diagnosed with gyny cancer.

As a result of the surgery (total hysterectomy) which no doubt saved my life, I have no uterus, cervix or ovaries and am childless but am fortunate to be well. My Gyny cancer was unusually caught at an early stage.

I know these to be uniquely female experiences and as an adult human female, I am a woman.

However, some activists with the Green Party have sought to use 'non-men' as a descriptor.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html

There has been assertions on Mumsnet and elsewhere to use the descriptor 'non-trans woman'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3289890-great-piece-by-academic-kathleen-stock-mentions-mn

and not using the descriptor 'cis woman' is deemed by some to be transphobic.

Sometimes women have to say 'No!'
I think words matter
I think sex matters

'Transwomen are MEN' I too agree.

People who take the decision to be trans have the right to call themselves what they like, doesn't change anything really.

they have absolutely NO right at all to tell ME what to call myself.

Non-men.

this is the biggest threat to womenkind that has ever been, why the fuck is this being allowed? They are re-writing everything and writing women out of society!

‘Because they are men colonising the word ‘woman’ and taking it for themselves and pushing women into the terms ‘non-men’ or ‘cis women’.’

Not if they are calling themselves TRANS women. They are not calling themselves a woman but a trans woman the trans term is what makes a difference.

There is no need to label women anything other than women. If trans woman are called trans woman, women are called women, men are called men and trans men called trans men.

Don’t accept the labels ‘cis women’ or whatever rubbish term is being used, It’s unnecessary.

Obviously trans women are not in the same classification women, they have their own classification with their own trials and tribulations and their term/classification is trans women.

Transwomen being women???? Oh get a grip @Notlivestock

When a descriptor is needed they are transwomen/men since other more accurate terms are nto allowed and 'untransed' women and men are simply women and men FFS.

CIS is not necessary and not wanted.

Definitely NBU

The worlds gone mad, why not go the whole hog. I'm a non-elephant. Tomorrow i might be a non-giraffe.

All this crap is simply the greed of the 0.01% exploiting what is actually a tiny minority of individuals, for their own ends. See this article in
The Federalist.

YANBU.
Just to add, the use of “cis” feels cringy to me and with regards to descriptor words, it’s taking the Cis.

‘The violence and loss of identity is happening to women.’

But not just women though.

I agree that women are getting the shitty end of the stick but we need to be more vocal that trans women is an acceptable term as is trans male, woman and man and that these terms are not interchangeable.

As for lumping women in with gender neutral, obviously that is completely unacceptable. There needs to be space for each ‘term’ (for want of a better word) to have their own area be it changing rooms, toilets, etc.

I like that Jenn Smith tells it how it is.

twitter.com/JennSmith64/status/1011356592602693633

Jenn's twitter feed is very enlightening.

Just keep saying women and trans women. Don’t b bullied. Just keep saying it.

It’s pretty simple really
Men
Women
Trans women
Trans men

Using the word cis indiscrimately implies there is some innate gender that applies to most women (except those that actively identify as trans). I’m pretty sure that assuming all women have the same preferences, personalities and interests used to be called sexism.

If you want to identify as a collection of (mostly damagingly restrictive) stereotypes knock yourself out but let the rest of us just identify as diverse, fully-rounded humans.

Does that make me a Non-Woman?

A group of trans activists do not get to define what I am in order to validate themselves. I am a woman. End of.

'Men and non-men' is so belittling, so dismissive, so 'othering' of anyone but the mighty, central, important man.

If you're going to go for making up your own descriptors, why not acknowledge feminism, throw in a bit of affirmative action (as you'd expect any progressive party to do) and go for 'women and non-women'? Really, why not? All possible reasons are semantically symmetrical.

Why would 'women and... other people' sound odd? We are the majority, after all. How can anyone who recognises that it does sound odd and that it demotes, belittles and makes peripheral all the 'other people', not see that 'men and... other people' does exactly the same?

Oh, I know, sexism.

Poor show Greens. (A party I've voted for many times. Maybe not any more, if I am to them only an 'other' a 'non-man', some peripheral being with no specific needs, identity or embodied form, no longer an actual person to whom they'd wish to address actual policies).

Maybe just change your name to match - the 'environmental and male-supremacy party' would seem to do it.

Men and non-men' is so belittling, so dismissive, so 'othering' of anyone but the mighty, central, important man.

It is dismissive. They can fuck off to the far side of fuck with their non men, cis shite, and then fuck off some more.

No Bobbybear.
There's a growing number of men-who-want-to-be-women who want to be referred to as women, as female, they refer to spurious biology that renders obvious XX vs XY, penis vs vagina (you know, the obvious stuff that's been around for millennia) as feelz and socially constructed, and made gender (bollocks that means woman = pink, makeup, long hair, skirts. Men = man clothes, short hair, likes trucks) as the biological standard. They are not content with trans woman.

Not only that, they are appropriating our language. Breastfeeding, cervix, periods, pregnancy, all things that in certain woke circles are being construed as transphobic if referred to without qualifying it to cover all possible bases (see People's front of Judea in The Lofe of Brian).

Two women a week are killed by their intimate partners. Do you know how many transwomen have been killed by their intimate partners? None. (See Jean Hatchet)

In men's prisons, something like 17% of all prisoners are there for sex offences. Of the transwomen in prison, over 40% are there for sex offences. And we should bend over backwards to allow our spaces and our words to be taken over and mean nothing?
Fuck that.

Trans women are male, they are a subset of men. If there is a problem for them with male violence, they should fight for their own spaces. They should not take over what is rightfully women's because they are still men, and as a sex class, they are the problem.

Men and non-men' is so belittling, so dismissive, so 'othering' of anyone but the mighty, central, important man.

It is dismissive. They can fuck off to the far side of fuck with their non men, cis shite, and then fuck off some more.

No Bobbybear.
There's a growing number of men-who-want-to-be-women who want to be referred to as women, as female, they refer to spurious biology that renders obvious XX vs XY, penis vs vagina (you know, the obvious stuff that's been around for millennia) as feelz and socially constructed, and made gender (bollocks that means woman = pink, makeup, long hair, skirts. Men = man clothes, short hair, likes trucks) as the biological standard. They are not content with trans woman.

Not only that, they are appropriating our language. Breastfeeding, cervix, periods, pregnancy, all things that in certain woke circles are being construed as transphobic if referred to without qualifying it to cover all possible bases (see People's front of Judea in The Lofe of Brian).

Two women a week are killed by their intimate partners. Do you know how many transwomen have been killed by their intimate partners? None. (See Jean Hatchet)

In men's prisons, something like 17% of all prisoners are there for sex offences. Of the transwomen in prison, over 40% are there for sex offences. And we should bend over backwards to allow our spaces and our words to be taken over and mean nothing?
Fuck that.

Trans women are male, they are a subset of men. If there is a problem for them with male violence, they should fight for their own spaces. They should not take over what is rightfully women's because they are still men, and as a sex class, they are the problem.

Men and non-men' is so belittling, so dismissive, so 'othering' of anyone but the mighty, central, important man.

It is dismissive. They can fuck off to the far side of fuck with their non men, cis shite, and then fuck off some more.

Instead of wo-man and non-man how about referring to people as human? I am amazed by the focus on biological sex/gender in many contexts where it seems irrelevant. Couldn’t the Green Party simply invite all people interested in feminist issues to come along? Gender is socially hugely important to us-after all when a baby is born, why is the first question ‘is it a boy or a girl?’—but we can choose to move past this.

Why not introduce yourself by name rather than as a man, woman, non-man, non-woman or anything else? Unless you’re planning to have sex with me it should really not be relevant how you express your sexuality or present yourself. If you’re a born-man (now there’s a term...) who likes to wear dresses I don’t need to label you transvestite or transgender, do I? I wouldn’t do that to a woman in trousers.

I worry that instead of freeing people we are tightening and restricting gender stereotypes that are hugely inaccurate and harmful in themselves. We’re losing some of the beautiful variety in being human in the process.

Well, as far as I’m concerned I’m a lady!

Girl. Woman. Female. That is what I have been from the day I was born and will be until the day I die.

I am not using that ridiculous word. It is not in my lexicon.

The Greens aren't the only party who are desperate to be seen as 'woke', though. The LibDems are the same. Not to mention Labour.

We’re losing some of the beautiful variety in being human in the process.

Women don't need to be erased in order for others to express themselves. They are welcome to express themselves however they want. No one cares about that. Just don't try and take over 'expression' for other people as well.

YANBU

I feel so angry we are not being listened to we are being ignored and we are being silenced in 2018

How the fuck can this be

Love Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie A Woman who has a platform and can still be heard and speaks out and of course is comes under attack for doing so

@BobbyBear10 last year, or a few years ago, I felt like you do. And then I read about transgender activists and the erosion of (natal, I hate even having to specify this) women's rights, and my mind was changed. If trans activists could settle with the term "trans women", I would be happy to oblige. But many activists want to claim the terms "woman" or "female", which is scientifically, biologically untrue and denies me my biological identity.

I do support people's rights to be what or who they want to be, to be happy, but not at the expense of women. Not if women are reduced to some "other", some "non-man"?!? FFS!

I don't normally comment on these kinds of threads, but it's basic common sense and sometimes it feels like we do need to speak up against the tide of shout-louder-to-drown-out-my-opponents style of fake-news.