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PIL left my eldest (their step grandchild) out of remembrance.

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Doingitover · 19/06/2018 09:55

Yep, so just that really.
My FIL is a lovely chap and we go to visit often. On Sat he was a bit down as it was the anniversary of his dads death. Every year they put a note in the memories section.
Anyway he called my eldest (13) over to see it. And my son (who treats them as grandparents) noticed he was missing. So he asked 'what about me'. I genuinely nearly died with sadness.
My FIL obviously hadn't noticed he was missing. Blamed nan and said they would get it amended next year.
Anyway. The thing is my other son is on it (He's 1) so he was added last year.
So my eldest was either forgot (how) or consciously left out.
I've tried to cover up their omission but I'm heartbroken. They live 200miles away and we make a huge effort to visit. At least 1 o month. But usually more. (My eldest has Autism and has a better relationship with them than his own grandparents)
Now I feel like telling them to f££k off. It's both or non.
My partner was out when it happened but I told him and he was furious. I stupidly told him not to react (obvs up there for Father's Day). But now I'm regretting not saying something.

It's almost as though it hasn't happened.
Aibu to raise it 3 days after?
What would you all do?

OP posts:
Juells · 19/06/2018 13:09

If I was FiL, that would be the end of all niceness to the OP's son. He's absolutely no relation to the dead man, and I can't see why that couldn't be explained to him.

Nicknacky · 19/06/2018 13:10

Whose wedding one?

user1485342611 · 19/06/2018 13:10

Duckbilled a very small number of posters have suggested that if the parents split up etc etc.

I really hope the OP does not take your advice. She has, sensibly in my opinion, decided to let things lie. FIL is happy to include the child's name in next year's memoriam, as it is obviously important to him. Turning every minor slip into a big battle is just going to ensure that the OP's DS becomes a source of stress and walking on egg shells for everyone in the family, to the detriment of just enjoying him for the valued step grandchild he obviously is.

HelveticaNeue · 19/06/2018 13:11

So, was he on it the first three years but left off the last 2 years?

He never met his step-great-grandfather if he died 15 years ago and he's not his great-grandson (technically) so in the nicest possible way, I think you're being a bit sensitive.

Blended families are a minefield.

Juells · 19/06/2018 13:12

My daughter has a stepdaughter who's a lovely girl, but I have absolutely zero interest in her, and it hasn't occurred to anyone that I should have. This is the greatest load of self-centred tosh I've ever read, and it's all going to backfire on the OP.

user1485342611 · 19/06/2018 13:13

Loving the way this thread had settled down, everyone happy, OP calm and wanting to just move on.

Then on come a couple of posters trying to stir it up and get her all riled again,

user1485342611 · 19/06/2018 13:14

I mean the posters trying to get the OP angry and urging her to rethink and tackle the PILs after all.

YearOfYouRemember · 19/06/2018 13:40

Some posts have made me think about my childhood.

My parents abandoned me so I didn't have a birth family.

My foster carers were abusive and never treated me as one of the family so no familial bonds there.

Where do I fit in?

I'm married now and while I took MrYear's surname (unsurprisingly) and gave it to my dc I feel they are more Years than I am and still feel like I fit nowhere.

If I went anywhere as a child and other children were given things, I sometimes was too (much to the annoyance of my BM and FC) and it meant so much. If I was left out I was just devastated and felt rubbish.

I think it may be okay to look upon step relatives as not quite the same as blood ones as long as no one is hurt.

MadMags · 19/06/2018 13:45

That's not remotely the same situation.

TumbleTussocks · 19/06/2018 13:47

Those of you banging on about "blood" family; how do you view adopted children?

Nicknacky · 19/06/2018 13:49

That’s like trying to compare apples and oranges. This is his sons girlfriend trying to include her kids in his grief. Nothing to do with adopted children.

MadMags · 19/06/2018 13:52

Well, legally he would have been adopted children's great-grandfather, would he not?

So not the same.

OP seems to have been sensible about it. Why can't everyone else?

Juells · 19/06/2018 13:55

@TumbleTussocks

Those of you banging on about "blood" family; how do you view adopted children?

That's a completely different situation, as they're usually 'there' from being a baby so the bond builds right from the start.

TumbleTussocks · 19/06/2018 13:57

Children are often adopted well beyond the baby years.

I'm questioning the use of "blood".

MadMags · 19/06/2018 13:59

If an adopted child's parents split, the relatives are still legally relatives so it's not the same.

BarbarianMum · 19/06/2018 14:03

Adopted children and biological children are part of a family in legal ways that just don't apply to step children.

DotForShort · 19/06/2018 14:08

I don’t think you have overreacted, either in response to the in-laws or on this thread. I can certainly understand why your son was hurt about being left out. He has a close relationship to his step-grandparents, whom he has known for 5 years (which amounts to quite a significant portion of his life). IMO biological connections are ultimately accidental. Ties of love and connection mean far more than being related by “blood.” Obviously, not everyone views family in this way (your MIL seems to think differently for one). But in your shoes I would probably discuss the matter with the in-laws, not in a confrontational tone but just to let them know your thoughts. And take it from there, depending on their reaction.

user1485342611 · 19/06/2018 14:12

I really wouldn't OP. If you get too intense about things like this, you will just create an uncomfortable atmosphere around your son's place in the family, instead of allowing it to develop and grow naturally.

Juells · 19/06/2018 14:16

@Nicknacky

This is his sons girlfriend trying to include her kids in his grief.

I don't think this can be said often or loudly enough. This is about her partner's father's grief. She's shoe-horning herself and her child into his loss, and has made it all about her. This won't be forgotten by the father, even if he's a very nice man who wants to avoid confrontation.

I can't believe pp are encouraging her in such a destructive course of action. IMO she needs to apologise, not compound things further.

shitholiday2018 · 19/06/2018 14:17

Yeah, I don’t agree with the mean comment about dragging kids through different families - surely better for everyone to go than stay in a bad relationship? However, I agree that step kids/grandkids can’t expect to be treated the same always. Not because the family might split up, but because they have their own, separate, family.

Sounds like the child’s paternal grandparents aren’t up to much. But that’s not relevant and shouldn’t be part of the overall logic that’s applied to the situation. Step GF has been lovely. That’s wonderful but it doesn’t make the child his grandchild. The child has his own grandparents already, that they are rubbish doesn’t mean that his step grandparents should pick up the slack.

The person who mentioned wills is on the money - if child is included equally in step Gf’s will, for example, and their own grandparents’ wills too, they are actually in a preferential rather than an equal positioN. How is that fair?

I agree that at 13 it’s time to start appreciating the very special relationship that is step family in a more adult way. With mum and dad leading the way on the mantra that treating people the same does not always equate with equality.

I went to a funeral where the adopted grandchild wasn’t mentioned. It was mortifying. This situation is not in any way in the same league.

Ketzele · 19/06/2018 14:19

I'm surprised at how many posters think there's a right and wrong answer on this. Surely all families are different, all children are different - the one constant is the need for the adults to manage the child's sense of self and belonging. The most damaging thing, I would guess, is when the child is never quite sure where they stand because different adults handle it differently, or the rules seem to change between situations. So it's about consistency, and a shared sense of how things will be handled.

Of course, the child's take on it matters as well. My db has one biological child, and two stepchildren with two different involved fathers. I hope we were always warm and inclusive of them, but they wanted different things from us - the older child liked us all, but never wanted to call me auntie or my mum granny - he already had those blood relationships and he saw this as loyalty to them. The younger embraced us much more closely as her family. Both fine. They are now young adults and I am tremendously fond of them and enjoy their company.

I guess part of why it worked was because the adults checked expectations with each other, and because it was always understood that though you can't dictate people's feelings, there is pretty much always a way to avoid hurting a child.

In OP's case, either the grandmother just assumed everyone would see the appropriate action as she did - in which case the adults need to do more checking about shared assumptions - or she just forgot. I would expect her to at least discuss it with her husband - they could then have chosen to discuss with parents, or just to make sure they never got to see it.

What shouldn't have happened is what did happen - that it was a surprise to the child, that the adults didn't know the position of the other adults, and that a mixed message was sent to the child: "You are our grandson... oh, not really".

Juells · 19/06/2018 14:24

The person who mentioned wills is on the money - if child is included equally in step Gf’s will, for example, and their own grandparents’ wills too, they are actually in a preferential rather than an equal positioN.

Grin My step-grandchild will make out like a bandit. Neither of my daughters want children of their own, so she'll inherit half my property via D2, and probably the other half via D1. Grin But that doesn't mean that I feel the same way about her as I would about one of my daughters', if they'd had a child I'd known from a baby.

Cornishclio · 19/06/2018 14:27

I am not sure why anyone posts memorial notices and I think remembering someone who has died either on the actual date or any other time for that matter should be done privately and not displayed in a newspaper or whatever. Each to their own.

I think your PIL should treat both your children the same even if one is a step grandchild. Your DH presumably thinks of him as a son so he is a member of his family. They were thoughtless not to include him but the fact FIL was embarrassed shows it wasn't deliberate. Your MIL obviously does think of them differently. Fine so long as you don't accept her showing favouritism otherwise I would be limiting contact too. A word to her about that would be ok I think. Your eldest though also has his BD and his parents so he has another set of grandparents who are obviously not going to treat your youngest as a grandson so this is a grey area. For some people blood is everything. I would like to think I am more flexible if I was in that position with my primary consideration not to hurt a child's feelings. Really thoughtless of her.

LooksBetterWithAFilter · 19/06/2018 14:27

I am in the situation of having two older dc who have a different father to my youngest so I am saying this from a place of experience.
I would not be upset that my older dc were not included in something like this at all. While I would be angry and upset and indeed have been at being treated differently from youngest ds this is a different situation entirely.

LivingMyBestLife · 19/06/2018 14:30

OP it can't have been nice to see your eldest feeling left out like that. I do get that. It's just that this example - not included in the memoriam for someone he never met - is not a good one to take issue with the in-laws over.

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