To think the FA should give a sizeable donation to Women's Aid?

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During the World Cup, if England lose, DV rates soar by 38%

If England win or draw, DV rates soar by 29%.

I am so sick of this.

AIBU to think the multi-billion pound FA should contribute a generous amount of their World Cup profit to Women's Aid or DV shelters until their fans stop beating up women? No it's not their fault men attack women but rather than brushing the issue aside they should maybe embrace the fact that their sport contributes to so much violence, rather than sticking their heads in the sand?

I've never been a victim of violence, but my ex's mood would fluctuate wildly on match day. Sometimes with alcohol in the mix, it got quite unpleasant.

That depends which statistics you use. Women in lesbian relationships are more likely to be physically abused than any other group

Evidence?

Are your DV shelters the type that exclude men?

Yes. Problem?

I saw a documentary last World Cup time which said that child prostitution (I.e child rape) increases by 60% in the city that holds the World Cup, for the duration of the World Cup. And that organised child traffickers move children into those cities for the time for that purpose. I think it was Horizon and I think they were in Brazil (but might be muddling up olympics).

Obviously I haven’t ‘fact checked’ that but major charities like save the children were involved in the documentary (although of course now their behaviour has been called into question).

The FA shouldn't be responsible for someone beating someone up.

The only person at fault is the person who is being violent.

Are your DV shelters the type that exclude men?

Yes. Problem?

Yes

Why Fiin? Why do you have a problem with the fact that women fleeing violent men don't want to share a safe space with strange men?

I think it is replicated, at least within the UK. I saw some figures on Rangers/Celtic matches which was similarly depressing and improved when they were in different leagues from each other. Strangely, these Rangers/Celtic fan men don't get as violent when Scotland loses, which is confusing, so there must be an expectations dashed element. Maybe this year England are expecting less, so the figure might reduce?

It's really difficult to fix but the FA would be better leading by example and clamping down hard when their players treat women badly than donating money (to me it feels too close to buying a free pass, I'd rather they try to make a change).

They should also donate to a men's domestic violence charity as well then surely? Not as much as women's aid but whatever the equivalent for men is too?

However like I said it isn't the responsibility of the FA to manage and compensate people for someone's actions that don't relate to them

It's true of Old Firm games too.

I don't know what the answer is; I don't think the kind of man who beats his wife is going to store because of a chastising billboard next to the stadium.

I guess the answer is that a lot of men are dicks and alcoholics. And that's something for all of society to tackle.

To clarify, I do not blame the FA for DV. It's always down to the individual.

However, DV in this country is nothing short of an epidemic. 1 in 4 women are victims of DV at some point, and 1 in 5 crimes involve violence against women. When something happens to make these figures even worse, we cannot continue to do nothing. The FA profits of a trigger that worsen this epidemic, which is why I think this particular crime needs to take precedent.

Men are victims of DV, but I am interested in helping women, sorry not sorry.

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Well seeing as you we're trying f to convince me I thought you'd at least back up your claim with facts (I don't think you can though).

Even if this was true it doesn't change the fact that men still commit the overwhelming majority of violence. Be it against women or other men

"I am interested in helping women, sorry not sorry."

The FA is run by mostly men and has mostly male players and mostly male watchers of the game. Why should they be sorry not sorry and help women?

Fuck, I'm embarrassed for you.

The FA is run by mostly men and has mostly male players and mostly male watchers of the game. Why should they be sorry not sorry and help women?

Because their fans keep beating women up. HTH.

Fuck I'm embarrassed for you.

To clarify - I am passionate about redacting violence against women. It's not all about the menz, I don't have to care about every group. Would you tel a Black Lives Matter activist "what about the white people"?

I would actually imagine the FA have done work with agencies about this issue and I would be more interested in them having a poster campaign on the premises reminding folk not to be dicks, rather than throw some cash at it.

"Because their fans keep beating women up. HTH."

A fact you're yet to substantiate in any way whatsoever.

"I don't have to care about every group."

Very true. Nor do the men running and playing and supporting the FA.

"Would you tel a Black Lives Matter activist "what about the white people"?"

No. I'm a black woman and wouldn't go near one of those dangerous protests.

You haven't had a single poster support your stupid stance. HTH

Yeah, a poster campaign will do the trick 🙄

I actually think this is a good idea, it's not like they're short of money!

Of course it probably won't make a difference to the violent men who are happy to beat there partners now when they lose a game but it might to future generations. Along with zero tolerance of sports people who are violent to there partners/randoms on nights out it would send a clear message that it is not excepted.

I really don't get why people are so short sighted, like if it doesn't make a difference straight away there's no point in trying something new. Even though all the evidence suggests that societal shifts in expected behavior take years to happen.

No. But then I wouldn't expect white people to have to pay compensation to a black person if another white person what them up.

So a whole organisation in your opinion has to compensate a group of people that were beat up by people not associated to that organisation?

What do you suggest then? Have someone follow each football fan home to make sure they behave?

Shouldn't all other national football association's pay then as well if they beat or lose to us as they play a part in this?

No, don’t be ridiculous.

All that is being said is that those companies making products that are used irresponsibly should have a role in encouraging responsible use

We do it with drink driving
We do it with legal drugs that effect driving

I do think that with this significant a level of % some consideration should be given to how the FA and Alcohol companies could help

Ideas like yours though are yet again indirectly passing the buck and not focusing on where the issue is.

The issue isn’t the football, it isn’t the booze it’s the wanker who commits the crime!