Children kept in cages - Texas

[JerushaAbbott]

This article in the Guardian today: Children in cages.

What can a non-US citizen do? I know there are undoubtedly worse atrocities happening somewhere in the world, but this article has shocked me.

When I was younger I was involved in anti-apartheid demos, CND, Greenham etc. Now I feel hopeless.

Umm, where did I say it was justified?

@THEsonofaBITCH

They aren't cages - just attention gathering headline. They are walls made of open fencing to keep groups separate but to allow plenty of visibility, air-flow, and communication.

This seems to be explaining why the fences/pens/cages are reasonable.

Not a fan of sperating the families but Obama did start it all off with a pledge to accept all children so thousands of kids were sent to illegally cross the boarders on their own resulting in lots of illegal kids (and some claiming to be kids who were over 18) and lots of abuse of those kids on their journey.

This seems to be explaining why the current practice of separating and containing children as a means of deterrent is reasonable.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted your post.

apology accepted

@THEsonofaBITCH

Thank you. Can you help me to understand though why your earlier post wasn't a justification?

THEsonofaBITCH pro tip - if you are arguing the semantics of what constitutes a cage you are unlikely to be on the side of good.

Here's a thing, if you love your children don't put them through the trauma of trying to do something highly dangerous and extremely illegal.

I imagine they are fleeing something worse.
Between a rock and a hard place.
We are incredibly lucky to have been born where we are and to not need to make these awful decisions.

Even immigration officers have described them as cages.

mobile.twitter.com/cbsthismorning/status/1008695502379077637

- @battleax, by hoax, do you mean that it isn't happening at all, or that they're not in cages, but in something else, such as chain-link pens? If you believe it not to be happening at all, would you point me to a reputable source please?

I mean the video of the “crying child in a cage” that was actually a protestor.

If you actually read my posts you’ll see I’m disgusted by the detentions and cinder block accommodation and space blankets and everything’s else.

But I’m also perturbed that my own side keep playing into Ann Coulter’s “They’re actors” narrative by continuing to circulate the debunked video.

I have been following whats been happening (im in uk) and its heart breaking, ive cried a few times , i am at such a loss that other people have such little empathy at other people being treated so appallingly and have justification! There is none!

I think the bigger question is how are the Cartels ever going to be defeated. If they are not defeated this problem is never going to go away.

The problem is criminality and politics are interwoven in Mexico and the cartels can buy anyone they wish.

One step would be to make all drugs legal?

Mexico is a failed state, no wonder Trump wants to build a wall.

I have spent a month in a undeveloped country and ive seen poverty where people have nothing and i am now a parent. I can empathise with these parents who are wanting the best for there children. People who live in developed worlds have no idea how bad others in world have it.

But the people in the pictures are from Honduras not Mexico, right?

The American Ambassador to the U.K. is;

Robert Wood Johnson,
U.S. Embassy London
33 Nine Elms Lane
London, SW11 7US
United Kingdom
Phone: [44] (0)20 7499-9000

I’m going to write to him to express my revulsion. I suggest any Brits in the thread do the same.

I am feeling very distressed by this. How can anyone do such a thing? Is there any chance of this being sorted out and the children returned to their parents?

Battleax

Yes, I understand that you're also disgusted by what's happening, and I agree with you that fabrication and false reporting massively undermine opposition to it. I was trying to understand what it was exactly that you were describing as a hoax.

But the people in the pictures are from Honduras not Mexico, right

Same things applies. Drugs, Gangs and Corrupt politicians. The Mexican cartels have basically purchased Honduras to aid their smuggling.

Anyone defending this shit, take note. Nothing you post on the internet will ever truly disappear nor is it truly anonymous. 40-50-60 years from now your grandchildren may be reading these. Just imagine if German teens in the 90s could have read the supposedly anonymous comments their grandparents had made in the 30s. It's one thing to know your grandparents were adults during such a very, very shameful time, it would be another to read their disgusting attempts to justify and support what was happening. That's what your grandchildren will be able to do and don't doubt that most will. So cop on and be people they will be proud of, not disgusting child abuse apologists who they will not be able to reconcile with the person they grew up loving.

Same things applies. Drugs, Gangs and Corrupt politicians. The Mexican cartels have basically purchased Honduras to aid their smuggling

Not a great place to to bring up children, then?

Not that it needed demonstrating, but this is one of the worst examples of just how dangerous, immoral and lacking in humanity Trump is (and all those who willingly work for him and implement these policies).

If I was an American I would be so mortified and ashamed by him.

It really does make me concerned for my child who is 16 months, what world do we live in where there is people out there trying to justify these actions , what is going to be done in future if this is 'ok'?.
I thought the world has learnt from its mistakes.
I woupd like to know where you do draw the line, if separating the children is ok, what is not ok? Killing them? I know that sounds dramatic but can anything be justified?

As an Irish person one of the things that really gets to me is that we have just lived through having millions of American dollars illegally sent to Ireland to finance an attempt to subvert our democracy under the banner of Love Both (a pro-life group). Millions of dollars from the same people who are at best doing fuck all about these children but are most likely supporting and justifying this policy. What loving both are they doing now? They are absolute fucking bastards claiming to want to save innocent babies and doing nothing for desperate children on their own doorstep.

Not a great place to to bring up children, then

Which needs to be sorted out. Or do you suggest that the USA takes in the whole country.

Just remember, when places like the EU and the USA become full and start to turn into 3rd world countries - there will be nowhere else to flee to.

Rider You might want to reflect on the impact US Foreign Policy, including the “War on Drugs”, has had on the growth of the Cartels.

if separating the children is ok, what is not ok? Killing them? I know that sounds dramatic but can anything be justified

What do you suggest is the answer is then? Should the USA take in everyone who asks?

You might want to reflect on the impact US Foreign Policy, including the “War on Drugs”, has had on the growth of the Cartels

....and how does that help us today? People are moving North from drug cartel affected areas.