Children kept in cages - Texas

[JerushaAbbott]

This article in the Guardian today: Children in cages.

What can a non-US citizen do? I know there are undoubtedly worse atrocities happening somewhere in the world, but this article has shocked me.

When I was younger I was involved in anti-apartheid demos, CND, Greenham etc. Now I feel hopeless.

Charolais The boiling frog is not a fable, it’s a myth. They jump out.

Any attempt to justify or explain away those scenes is like listening to a domestic abuser justify why his victim “made him do it”.

What is happening is basically showing that a wrong turn has been taken somewhere. Probably many wrong turns.

Snopes and Fox news are Republican based and biased news sources. Great article here on where different channels fall on the partisan\biased spectrum:
www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28

Quit with the fear mongering. They are large detention cells, not “cages”.
Only adults who can not prove that the children are theirs are separated.
None of the people are crossing at legal points of entry. The children are often trafficked and used as a human shield, should they really be allowed to remain with adults who are unrelated and unable to prove any connection to the children.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1exA8ik5QI

should they really be allowed to remain with adults who are unrelated and unable to prove any connection to the children.

you expect us to believe the trump administration is saving the children?

you should be ashamed of yourself.

Not kept in cages, no, but separated from parents, which is brutal and has been condemned by the international community.

(OP maybe it might be an idea to get the title edited. The cage hoax was debunked several days ago, but clearly not everyone has heard and it might distress people.)

Clearly homeland security feels they are on one level procecting the undocumented children. The number of people most of whom are economic migrants and not eligible refugees is mind boggling thousands per day.
I have no doubt what is said about using the children as human shields is true.

Perhaps one reason why Americans are not outraged by it is the distance. We genuinely have not heard about it. The US is the size of Europe. I am 1960 miles from Texas.

Quite apart from the fact the Maine has both internet and news channels (I know! And running water!), it's also on the front page of the Portland Press Herald. You'd have to try extremely fucking hard not to have heard of it.

I am the same distance from Texas as you are. My 13 year old son came to me yesterday morning having heard this news, and asked if it's true.

And let's not overlook the fact that here in Maine we have border patrol boarding buses and asking people if they're US citizens. Because we're within 100 miles of a border, therefore they can. Never used to. Achieving nothing.

Welcome to Trump country, where the 4th Amendment is a distant memory.

Clearly homeland security feels they are on one level procecting the undocumented children.

Oh give over.

It's a negotiating point.

The recent history of USA immigration control was covered by Malcolm Gladwell in the arevidionust ahistory podcast.

It’s a fascinating insight into how current border controls have supported increases of immigrants into the USA from Mexico particularly, and are totally unsupported by current evidence. Yet USA politicians continue to ignore the facts.

*Revisionist history podcast
Ffs!

So are asylum seekers only allowed to bring their own children and no one else? So if you are an asylum seeker you not allowed to bring a neighbour or travel companion child whose parents died on the journey to what you assumed a better/ safer life was? Correct me if I am wrong but does this not cost tax payer more both in the long term and short term? Is it not cheaper to send them back together? I think that is more humane as then you know where your children are. Are parents or carers being given this option?

Perhaps one reason why Americans are not outraged by it is the distance. We genuinely have not heard about it.

The US is the size of Europe. I am 1960 miles from Texas. It’s the equivalent of someone in London hearing local news from Greece or Cyprus.

Can you hear your own words?

I'm in New Zealand - geographically remote from everywhere, and we've been hearing about this for weeks, now.

This one post ^^ provides profound insight into Trump's success. How ignorant can you be...

Unfortunately, propaganda and pure fabrication, such as the child in the cage (who wasn’t) is giving people an excuse to disbelieve the whole thing.

Also from NZ (love your name, Dowager!) and this is all over my social media feed. The lengths that some people will go to defend the abusive misogynist proto-fascist currently sitting in the White House is astounding. And actually quite scary to many of us in the rest of the world.

Our asylum seekers/ immigrants are drowning in the Med. I don't think we can criticise to be honest.
They are drowning because we won't give them visas to enter Europe.

What to do about millions of people wanting a better life for their children by moving to a fairer western country?

Hi DunedinGirl!

To be fair, I actually first heard about it when my cousin-in-law in Boston posted about it - so to suggest that Americans aren't outraged by it because they haven't heard about it is wrong.

Only people living under a rock haven't heard about it.

There is no justification for terrorising and imprisoning small children.

Even Trump and his wife say the law is awful (he just blames it on the Democrats) - so why is anyone trying to defend it?

The cage hoax was debunked several days ago, but clearly not everyone has heard and it might distress people

Yes, not cages. They're pens, chain-linked pens. Completely different. It would be totally inhumane to keep children in actual cages. Chain-linked pens are fine though. Perfectly normal and absolutely fine. They're the latest decorating trend.

Trump voters love America and the constitution. America is a nation of laws and NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Trump voters are also not as gullible as people who believe everything they read in The Guardian

Charolais I’m sure it isn’t just Trump voters that “love the America and the Constitution”. That’s a ridiculous statement straight up, as is your assertion re: gullibility. I really could challenge you on that one, as you are a Trump voter, but you do seem a tad more switched on than the usual ones I encounter, so I’ll simply say that engaged voters of every ilk tend to read a variety of sources - and we don’t believe everything we read as a result, just like you.

Being a U.S. citizen is not the RIGHT of everyone in the world You assume they want it as if it’s some golden award everyone in the world desires? (HINT - Hell no). They are escaping. Their circumstances are completely different to yours. You emigrated because you married a US citizen? They are leaving their countries to escape violence, poverty, war - I could go on. It doesn’t compare.

I saw a thread (on another forum) wishing death on these kids from Trump voters. They simply did not care. Not saying you don’t, but there seems to be complete lack of thought process somewhere in them.

Shadow it matters. (Assuming that getting through to American voters matters. Which it does)

Ann Coulter was gabbing off yesterday that these detained immigrant children are ACTORS. (Yes that one again. Same as Sandy Hook and the other school shootings. It’s become the standard US hard right lie to dismiss everything as fabrication.)

So, circulating videos purporting to show detained children crying in cages. (When in fact that child wasn’t detained, and wasn’t in a cage, but others are detained in terrible conditions.) That’s playing right into their evil hands.

I couldn't sleep last night with a twisted knot in my stomach. It is totally sickening and it is frightening that there are people prepared to defend this.

I really want governments around the world to take a stand against this
Consumer trade boycott of US goods and services. Worked against apartheid South Africa.

We've seen the fucking cages on the news with US immigration officials in plain sight. Dressing it up with glib euphemisms does not change the fact that these are cages in which children lie on the floor without parents with nothing more than foil blankets to comfort them.

The Trump administration is trying to pretend this is necessary. It is never necessary to treat little children like wild animals in a zoo.

The American Association of paediatricians has publically spoken of the serious concerns they have about the psychological damage caging children in pens will cause.
These children are not even allowed to be held or comforted by staff when they cry.
Laura Bush has compared these camps to the US Japanese internment camps (another shameful US episode)
There are now plans to hold further children in 110 degree heat in tents in the desert.
This is vile and history will not be kind to those who support it.
America has become so partisan that i truely believe Trumps administration could do anything and his supporters will back him to get one over on the libs.