Children kept in cages - Texas

[JerushaAbbott]

This article in the Guardian today: Children in cages.

What can a non-US citizen do? I know there are undoubtedly worse atrocities happening somewhere in the world, but this article has shocked me.

When I was younger I was involved in anti-apartheid demos, CND, Greenham etc. Now I feel hopeless.

A law that puts children in cages is immoral. Laws by themselves mean nothing. Nazi Germany had plenty of laws.
There are many ways of stopping illegal immigration that do not involve separating children from their parents and placing them in cages and refusing to comfort them.
Being anti immigration doesn’t mean you have to be an inhuman dickhead too.

It chills me to see people on here who seem to not be horrified that children are being forcibly separated from their parents and interred in make-shift tent cities.

Where are your hearts?
Are you parents?

I get that there is a problem, but surely the (supposed) guardian of the free world can come up with a better plan to solve it??

Trump voters love America and the constitution
Then why do you support Chump who keeps trying to violate the constitution?

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
Except Chump & his cronies who repeatedly violate federal laws. Eg: You know the story about how Chump hand shreds documents that pass thru his hands even after often being asked not to... and then they have to be taped back together (by civil service we pay for out of extra tax money) to comply with federal law about preserving federal documents. Can't make this kind of thing up.

The Obama administration... did not separate parents from small children, when processing illegals.

The illegal immigrants are bring their violent culture with them
4 studies say illegal immigration does not increase violent crime.

People are having trouble immigrating to Britain, too.

i don't think you understand how hard SWs in Britain try to keep families together (and normally USA is like that, too -- I should know, my mother worked for CPS).

Trump voters do not want the U.S. to end up like Europe.
Coz it would be so terrible to not have a corrupt kakistocacracy.

A country should always be judged on how it treats others ... regardless of what is right or wrong locking children away from their parents is morally repugnant.
The daughter of the POTUS tweeting a picture of herself with her baby boy is tone deaf ...
The law in SA when I was born meant I was better than my black counterpart - it was legally sanctioned but in no way moral or right ...

And let’s not discuss the ££££££ I had to pay to become a UK citizen ....

Ps it’s also impossible to take a poster seriously when they suggest looking at a Fox News link in order to do ‘reaearch’.

I just hope you have your excuses ready for the future when people ask you what you did, and who you became, when America lost its place.

Perhaps one reason why Americans are not outraged by it is the distance. We genuinely have not heard about it.

The US is the size of Europe. I am 1960 miles from Texas. It’s the equivalent of someone in London hearing local news from Greece or Cyprus.

I may be wrong, but to my knowledge, this has been legal for accompanied minors since a federal court ruling in 2014 and unaccompanied ones before that. Nothing really to do with Obama or the Democrats though I agree many news agencies did get lazy under his administration and this issue should have been picked up way sooner. The thing is, even without a new ruling or law change, a change of policy here, a push there, and with this combined with the 100 mile policy and it's a major growing humanitarian issue particularly when with how many kids the US government has "lost".

As for what non-US citizens can do...well, for the UK, I'd suggest looking into issues here first. The UK has immigrant detention centres, some of which have children, and the UK has indefinite detention of immigrants with many what most would consider their legal rights denied. Yarl's Wood is one of the most well-known ones which has regular protests and many horrific stories keep coming out of it. I think it will be difficult for the UK to put political pressure on the US to change with what's going on here. Beyond that, I would look into the charities, protest groups, and others in the US that could be supported.

I'm in Britain & this story is all over my Twitter feed. I'm not exactly closer to the action than any one living on American soil... those in the Marianas or Guam, maybe.

Front 'cover' of CBS news website.
Even Breitbart has the child detentions as a lead story.

The US is the size of Europe. I am 1960 miles from Texas. It’s the equivalent of someone in London hearing local news from Greece or Cyprus.

No, it's not. This is something happening in your own country.

1. From what I understand, this situation has been going on since LONG before Trump entered the picture.

1. We cannot incarcerate children with their parents. The children don't belong in jail.

1. Depending on the situation, it's possible they may have entered the country illegally. Even if they didn't, they usually need to stay in a detention center until such time as their asylum claim is processed. It's not the best place for children (see above).

The parents had a choice about whether or not to enter the country. They made their decision.

Just disgusting. I really want governments around the world to take a stand against this

Should we be surprised a country that thinks it is acceptable for their own children to die in school and demonise those children left for speaking out is hardly going to get worked up about children of illegal immigrants being separated from their parents. They are not all like this I know many who are despairing.

Bullshit kursk this is in no way the same as watching something happening in Greece when you're living in London.

This is your problem to fix. Your nation, your government, your elected representatives, your media, your ideology, your democracy.

Me too. It's my problem too because it's my country, even though I thankfully don't live there at the moment.

It is our shame, as Americans, that this is happening in our country.

I also know in the U.K. if parents break the law and are arrested the children are separated from them.

This is not actually true. If a parent breaks the law, and are in charge of children, they are usually asked to attend a police station for an interview. They are only arrested if there is an absolute necessity for this.

If they are arrested, and another carer for the child cannot be found, then the child would be looked after by social services in an appropriate environment. This would usually be an emergency foster carer.

Children in the UK would never be caged in this situation.

The fact that young children are separated from their parents in this manner is horrific. There is no reason why the families cannot be detained together, if there is any need for detention.

Anyone who condones this and justifies by talking about laws, or choices or whatever has lost their humanity.

Thank you for the Together Rising link - I just donated - it made me feel like I have done some small thing to help, I just can't bear it :( go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=togetherrising.org/heres-how-you-are-serving-the-separated-border-families-today-update-2/

Even Scaramucci is calling the separations bad policy.

These people aren't illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers. They are forced to become illegal immigrants because the current policy that was introduced by the Trump administration states that they cannot apply for asylum unless they enter the US first. Once they enter the US, they are treated as illegal immigrants not asylum seekers through no fault of their own. They are accused of illegally smuggling children across the border because of this policy. Trump is trying to use the plight of these poor children and their families to force Democrats to agree to his stupid wall and other anti-immigration policies. It is immoral and wrong and deeply traumatising to these families who have already been through so much to even get to the US border. Anyone who supports or agrees with this policy needs to grow some fucking empathy and stop watching Fox news.

IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT DECISIONS THE PARENTS MADE.
YOU DONT SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM
THEIR PARENTS AND PUT THEM IN CAGES.

For goodness sake.

Why don’t we do that to the children of every criminal in the UK eih? Round them up and put them in cages? After all their parents knew what they were doing. And better still were tried in a court of law. Unlike these people.

Seriously. What is wrong with people?!

This is a tough listen.
ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing as an agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here
www.propublica.org/article/children-separated-from-parents-border-patrol-cbp-trump-immigration-policy

I don’t know if I already posted this link;
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/18/viral-photo-toddler-crying-miscaptioned-not-ice-custody/710396002/

Kursk that is a big one on the citizenship test. I’d be leaning Libertarian but I feared what Hillary would do if she was POTUS. I had the misfortune if knowing her in the 90’s.

MixedHerbs the Rule of Law is a bit of a big deal in the United States, even if it does 'crack you up’.

sleepingdragons I have a choice where I can live and after returning to the U.K. for a few months after 45 years away well.... The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death

Perhaps one reason why Americans are not outraged by it is the distance. We genuinely have not heard about it.

Maybe YOU genuinely have not heard of it - that is on you and shows your priorities (which are very clear when you declare yourself oxymoronishly to be a libertarian who believes in controlling immigration - in other words no government except when it benefits you)

I can assure you that this issue is all over reputable news sources here in the US and people are outraged that this is what our government is doing. Laura Bush wrote an op ed piece for god's sake.

You can support lawful immigration and still see the horror of separating children from their parents - unless you are utterly heartless.

And cry me a fucking river about "he even had to bring his chest xrays". I did that too. It wasn't exactly a trip by foot from Honduras.