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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Dear SAHMs

198 replies

Figuringitout · 16/06/2018 22:48

AIBU to ask you how you feel about this division of labour:
For context, kids are 6 and 3.
Working parent works full time - busy / stressful job which involves work in evenings and weekends and has much less 'free' time than SAHP. Working parent does all night wakings and early mornings (as they are up for work) plus most weekends. WP does all laundry, manages all bills and general organising e.g payment/equipment for clubs, birthday party buying etc. WP also does food shopping/meal planning.
SAHP does majority of tidying, all school runs, hoovering, gardening, cooking and cleaning up
Jobs like cleaning bathroom, loading dishwasher, general tidying are shared.
Does this sound fair?

OP posts:
stopfuckingshoutingatme · 17/06/2018 09:15

Let me take a rough stab in the dark

Sahm is ...... a man Grin

NotUmbongoUnchained · 17/06/2018 09:16

Stay at home parent should be doing 90% really. It’s not like they do much is it?
My husband did everything when he stayed at home, then on a Saturday we teamed up and got everything that needed doing some so we could enjoy the weekend.
I did the night wakings and food shopping.

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 17/06/2018 09:17

Info about free hours:

www.gov.uk/help-with-childcare-costs/free-childcare-and-education-for-2-to-4-year-olds

Notice the bit about being eligible for the 30 hours if one parent is earning £120 a week and the other isn't but started their business less than 12 months ago. Could make a big difference for you OP if you could get it, provided DH uses it to work on his business and do washing, shopping etc.

Atthebottomofthesea · 17/06/2018 09:18

Tell him to get a bloody job.

We have no idea why they feel that having a sahp is best for their family. He doesn't necessarily need to get a job he just needs to take on more of the home life burden.

mancmummy1414 · 17/06/2018 09:19

I think it’s fair (presumably 6 and 3 don’t wake in the night other than once in a blue moon unless AN)

We have ours as follows
Parent 1) full time job, lots of extra hours / staying late at the office, gardening, diy, taking over cooking and cleaning when home, all early mornings

Parent 2) part time job, majority of cooking and cleaning, all night wakings, all house admin, shopping and paying bills

The only thing you could do more fairly is the WP shouldnt be doing all early mornings AND late nights???

LannieDuck · 17/06/2018 09:21

I think it doesn't sound too bad, except that SAHP should be doing the general organising (as primary childcarer, SAHP should be working out what school forms they need, when they need non-uniform etc), and you should both be doing childcare at the weekends. That way you'd both have the opportunity for a bit of downtime.

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 17/06/2018 09:21

The 3 year old wakes nearly every night, albeit briefly. But that can still be a killer.

Helmetbymidnight · 17/06/2018 09:24

How is this fair? Seriously? Did you read the op?

I too knew it was a man- I knew a family like this. The sahd wouldn’t do any ‘domestic’ labour- he was ‘home for the kids’. So she’d be out the house for ten/twelve hours a day in a stressful high pressure job yet still have to do most of the things needed to run a household.

He’s taking the piss out of you op.

Helmetbymidnight · 17/06/2018 09:33

The only thing you could do more fairly is the WP shouldnt be doing all early mornings AND late nights??

You really don’t think a sahp could do food shopping, washing/putting away clothes, clean bathroom, doing the dishwasher, or any house/school admin?

Why not?

Atthebottomofthesea · 17/06/2018 09:34

Many 3 yr Olds wake in the night. My youngest is 6 and she still wakes on occasion. At 3 it was every night.

MrsFezziwig · 17/06/2018 09:44

It’s a difficult time for you but should (in theory) improve when 3 yo goes to nursery, but you need to make sure that it does. Once 3 yo is at nursery & GPs have them twice a week then can all the household tasks not be done by SAHP during those windows of opportunity? Then you can both have down time in the evenings & at weekends.

Currently, you should share night wakings, mornings (how is it reasonable for SAHP to lie in bed?), then have a lie-in each at weekends.

A lot also depends on why WOHP is working evenings & weekends - is it with the possibility of getting a better job (eg doctor, or studying for exams) in which case it will improve, or is she (I’m guessing it’s a she) stuck with it forever?

wishitwillbeme · 17/06/2018 09:58

It's hard to tell, looking after young children is much more draining than working and housework to me personally.

Having said that, your responsibility appears to be much more than my FT working dh when I was a sahm, he was pretty child free most weekdays. I did everything you are doing apart from working FT, I guess thats why I was so drained, weekend was my break even though I was still busier than dh.

I think night wakings need to be looked into as others suggested - just seems like something can be avoided.

I don't think it's worth a fight because both parents are exhausted, when your 3 years old go to school your dh probably can start to take on more responsibilities.

MoreProsecco · 17/06/2018 10:02

OP, I think your DP is used to being "facilitated" & not pulling his weight, as others (you, your parents) are doing it for him.

FlorisApple · 17/06/2018 10:05

The thing is: you're not getting any of the benefits of having one parent at home, and you're getting all of the negative stuff (not having enough money, having to take on the burden of a stressful job + still doing much of the emotional and domestic labour).

The things that really jump out at me are a) night wakings: it's okay for SAHP to be a zombie, but WP needs a brain (is my philosophy anyway) b) food planning and shopping is an enormous amount of work c) laundry is easy, but takes quite a lot of time; it's something SAHP can easily accomplish while looking after kids. Don't get me wrong; none of these things are fun, but they are part and parcel of being a SAHP, and are made up for by the things that are nice about it; autonomy, spending time with the kids etc.

gamerwidow · 17/06/2018 10:09

It always makes me laugh that paying the bills is considered a job. It is at worst an annual hunt around go compare for the best deals and then direct debit takes care of the rest. Simlarly meal planning is just writing a shopping list. All the OP does really is laundry and night wakings and her partner does the rest.

gamerwidow · 17/06/2018 10:11

Also you can shop on line so OPs job is shopping (30 mins a week I’d she shops online) and laundry which is only arduous if she has to iron.

Bumpitybumper · 17/06/2018 10:30

@FlorisApple
I would think having the SAHP looking after their child is a huge benefit. Lots of people see this as an ideal set up for the children (not everyone!). Also OP doesn't have to worry about school runs, after-school clubs, sick days etc. Saying she gets no benefit is very disingenuous.

Also I don't see why having a zombie SAHP is acceptable as I certainly wouldn't be entrusting me child to a preschool etc that had loads of zombie staff. Why is that ok because her DP is a SAHP?

Helmetbymidnight · 17/06/2018 10:38

Do sahp here really not do night wakings, early mornings, weekends, dish washer, any clothes washing/putting away, bathroom cleaning, any school admin, any house admin, any food shopping?

I’m impressed- I was clearly doing it all wrong Grin

Idontevencareanymore · 17/06/2018 10:49

I work part time (12 hours a week plus any extra shifts I fancy.
My 6yo is in school and 4yo does 15 hours at preschool. I do all cleaning. All laundry(including putting away) I do the online shopping. All school runs but when dh is home he comes with.
All cooking. All child related stuff.
His job is washing up and Bin duty.

He works 11 hour days 5 days a week. And 6 hours from 5am on a Sunday. While his job isn't physical it's early starts and mentally demanding. His job enables me to work as I please (he knows I wasnt happy doing 25 hours a week) so I pick up the lions share in return.

Op your situation sounds unfair. Unequal division of labor indeed.

Bumpitybumper · 17/06/2018 11:02

@Helmetbymidnight
Or maybe your setup was fair in your specific circumstances? SAHPs that don't do those chores aren't necessarily doing less than you or exerting less effort.

French2019 · 17/06/2018 11:10

Well at three they still need fairly consistent supervision, meals making, possibly help the loo or nappy changing, help getting dressed, taking anywhere etc. How is that not full time work?

Honestly speaking, if you find it hard work to look after one NT 3yo, perhaps you're not suited to being a SAHP. I do understand that some people find it hard to be around young children, but if that's the case, it might be better to go back to work.

As to whether a nanny in charge of a single 3yo is working, well, obviously, yes they are, but as jobs go, it's not exactly the hardest job in the world. That said, it's very different from being a SAHP. For a start, it's much harder looking after someone else's child than your own. Secondly, as a nanny, you are required to meet the expectations of your boss, which as a SAHP, you don't have to do.

If the SAHP refuses to take on a greater share of the housework/admin, I can't really see the point of having a parent stay at home - unless their earning potential is very low and childcare would cost more than their wages. I certainly wouldn't agree to being the WOHP in that scenario!

Obviously, it's different for families who have multiple young children or children with SN, where the childcare will represent a much greater workload. But one NT pre-school child and an NT 6yo don't represent a full time job imo.

gamerwidow · 17/06/2018 11:11

Do sahp here really not do night wakings, early mornings, weekends, dish washer, any clothes washing/putting away, bathroom cleaning, any school admin, any house admin, any food shopping?
Some will some won’t depending how the other chores are split. Even the OP does dishwasher emptying and bathroom cleaning but not exclusively. Working out of the house doesn’t render you incapable of emptying a dishwasher if it needs doing. Maybe WOHP empties dishwasher whole SAHP baths kids etc. The SAHP list will probably be more than the WOHP realises because if you’re not doing the role you don’t really know all it involves. Fwiw I’ve never been a SAHP but I know I do jobs my DH probably doesn’t even realise need doing because their just done and he never needs to think about them.

PoisonousSmurf · 17/06/2018 11:13

Both our DDs are now teenagers but the split in our house (when the kids were small) was as follows:

SAHP
Does all the night waking/feeding
All the cooking for the family
All the housework and gardening
All the laundry
All school runs
Attends all the school meetings/sports days
Organises all parties/sleep overs

WP
Goes to work full time (8am- 7pm)
Pays all the bills/utilities
Organises car tax/car servicing and repairs
Sorts the recycling and bins

But at the weekend we would make sure that we either spent the time together as a family or I'd have the Saturday to myself and he'd have the Sunday to go off and pursue his hobbies.

Always worked for us and we have a dishwasher, so no arguments about that!

MarshaBradyo · 17/06/2018 11:15

The biggest thing I’d hand over is the laundry

PoisonousSmurf · 17/06/2018 11:16

Oh and I forgot, I did all the shopping as well!