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to say, about Kate Spade's apparent suicide?

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Standandwait · 05/06/2018 18:30

... that there are two things I take away from this:

  1. there are a lot of people out there who you think are just fine and should be so happy but just aren't... not only Kate Spade, what about Robin Williams? Be aware others may be fragile and try not to hurt them.

  2. if you think you're worthless and a failure remember there are probably other people out there who admire you and wish they were like you. Don't kill yourself get help.

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hope80 · 05/06/2018 20:48

waxon
Your messages make so much sense to me, thank you. I feel that suicide is caused by mental illness, it is not a rational decision made to hurt others and there is often no reason. It’s an illness, something has gone wrong in the person’s brain.

Would recommend this video by world health organisation about what depression is and how it can lead to suicide.
‘I had a black dog, his name was depression’. There are further videos there to help people living with someone with depression.

My cousin died last year from suicide (agree with cheerymom using the term “committed” harks back to it being classed as a crime and continues the stigma of mental health issues). The devastation caused has been far reaching and my darling cousin would not have intended to hurt us, to have his parents broken beyond repair, to have his grandparents at his funeral.

So sorry to all affected by this.

HariboIsMyCrack · 05/06/2018 20:48

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glsgow107 · 05/06/2018 20:49

No haribols. They really, really don't.

SlothMama · 05/06/2018 20:50

Such sad news, I loved her bags I hope her family are doing as well as they can be right now

SheilaHammond · 05/06/2018 20:52

glsgow107 I get that you have suffered with suicidal thoughts and I am sorry for that. But my attitude to my own situation isn’t really ‘disgraceful’ at all. It’s what I, and others on this thread, feel about parental suicide.

You don’t have to agree, but neither do you get to dictate how I feel about it.

Pretamum · 05/06/2018 20:52

Serialtester- I know, and I have such conflicting thoughts on this. On the one hand, it's a mental illness and someone suicidal has a completely different way of looking at themselves and what is right for their family. I haven't been suicidal so have no idea what that must feel like. I don't want to judge, at all, but on the other hand I just couldn't imagine, no matter how much mental pain I was in, how I could ever choose to leave my son and leave him with the ramifications of my death. Aside from something terrible happening to my son, my worst fear is him having to go through the pain of losing a parent while still a child.

WaxOnFeckOff · 05/06/2018 20:53

My Dad's mum gassed herself when he was 7. His Dad found her and identified the body and reported the death. He did the same himself 2 weeks later. They left 3 small children behind into a life of abject poverty and my Ddad spent time in childrens homes and was abused there.

SO many tragic stories, so much pain but they didn't do it on purpose I am sure of that.

Maccapacca88 · 05/06/2018 20:54

I have been suicidal. I honestly and truly believed that my family would have been better off without me. Almost 2 years on and I am shocked that I felt that way. When you are in that place it is a black hole. I thought I would be doing everyone a favour. I am on ADs now which help and have had a lot of counselling. People aren't berated for dying when their body is broken, but somehow it's ok if it's your brain.

Teenmum60 · 05/06/2018 20:55

Such sad news...I too loved the design of her bags ...they were so different...cannot imagine what the family must feel..RIP (Just really hope this is not where financial pressures have impacted on someone with amazing talent).

HariboIsMyCrack · 05/06/2018 20:55

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WaxOnFeckOff · 05/06/2018 20:55

I just couldn't imagine, no matter how much mental pain I was in, how I could ever choose to leave my son and leave him with the ramifications of my death.

That is sort of the point. We are well enough to think that leaving our children would cause them pain. Someone in a suicide situation believes that they will be better off without them or is in too much pain themselves to process that.

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 05/06/2018 20:56

Made me think of L’Wren Scott, someone else who outwardly has a charmed life. So sad that these and many others were not able to get the help they needed.
RIP to a great talent and condolences to her family

auditqueen · 05/06/2018 20:56

My mother also suffered from depression throughout her life. I was 12 when I first realised that there was something different, but didn't know what it was and so couldn't label it. It started when she refused to leave the house except occasionally in the evening when we would all go out in my father's car (their marriage had ended by then, but he lived in the coach house so was close by). She refused to seek help and instead was if the pull yourself together age and class.

I don't know how to explain the impact on my brother and I other than to say she stopped being our mother. My brother went on to be the one who could never do wrong, despite the fact that he developed a drug habit, bunked off school and failed all his exams. In him she saw herself and I'm pretty sure he was the only person she ever really loved.

Me she tried to control, but I went to university and met my husband and married young and lived away.

My brother stayed near to our parents and married someone like our mother and of whom she approved. She now controls and abuses him like our mother did, but he can't see it, won't leave and so we are estranged. He now battles alcoholism.

My husband was also abusive, but I left and recognised I was depressed and siought help. I was told frequently by my mother that I was weak and pathetic for doing this.

My mother continued to be depressed and as she got older she frequently talked about killjng herself. She was agoraphobic, alcoholic and despite all her talk about wanting to have a life and do something, never managed to do anything, go anywhere. She wanted to die, so when she started developing symptoms of a particularly nasty cancer she ignored them and, as much as possible, kept them from us. My brother visited her often, as did my father and they were worried and tried to get her to get help. Nothing worked. She was finally admitted to hospital with end stage cancer. She was pissed with us because we got to her before she died.

Cheerymom · 05/06/2018 20:58

Haribo, if that was the case surely there would be no deaths from suicide?
To suggest someone with the illness of depression has a choice not to, is not helpful is it?

From my own experience and the many books I have read and the 20 years of on/off counselling I have had, from the general advice of every health board/body on the topic, to die of suicide is not actually a rational or intentional choice made by a healthy rational mind. It is your opinion but not one supporting by any professional thinking on the topic. be careful, there are many people here who have had to survive loved ones who died by suicide.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 05/06/2018 21:01

Her poor family.

When you're in such a state of despair your brain isn't rational. You're thinking of ending the pain, or the apathy or feel that everyone is better off without you and are just asking you to stay because they feel obliged to.

It's a horrible place to be in both for the one who dies and their poor family.

But don't think for one second they just didn't make the effort to seek help. Often all they do is make an effort and they just don't want to anymore.

Thanks to all who have lost someone through suicide.

Wishyouhadntleftus · 05/06/2018 21:04

NC for this.
Another one, I lost my mother as a wee tot to suicide.
Will never get over it. Ever.
It was not talked about. At all.
Brushed under the carpet (50 years ago). Dad remarried. We got a ‘new mum’.
Grew up wondering if I too would die young. Used to cry myself to sleep. A lot.
Found out real reason as a young adult.
Gone through feelings of ‘yes it was selfish’.
To ‘how could you’.
To ‘oh it must have been so difficult’.
I have found this thread helpful. I don’t want it pulled.
Oh and as an adult your child has one less grandparent. So it’s a double blow.

Pettynotvindictive · 05/06/2018 21:06

@HariboIsMyCrack

I completely understand your anger at your father. I was 12 when mum killed herself.
I was and still am furious, upset and devastated. She didn't love me enough to stay. Bitch.

Fuck that it's a mental illness, I was a child.

I've had counselling, they've tried to make me understand that it's about her not me. I was a child. Fuck off.

princesstiasmum · 05/06/2018 21:07

My daughter exh hung himself,it was the best thing he could have donre,he made her life a misery,threatened her with a gun, tied her up and kept a knife above the bed, he was truly deranged,he evenj threaened me, and we we were taken out of our home by the police to a safe place
Also my hairdressers exp took their little girl aged about 4 and jumped off a bridge with her, screaming no daddy no
One of my sons at this time is going through terrible depression, but says he has had suicidal thoughts, but tries not to because of how it would affect his son
Suicide is a terrible thing and affects more than just immediate family, but also the family of the person or people left
So sorry for this ladys daughter, rip

HariboIsMyCrack · 05/06/2018 21:09

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bouncydog · 05/06/2018 21:09

One of my best friends took this choice many years ago, leaving behind an amazing wife and 18 month old daughter. None of his friends could understand why. More recently my brother found a 21 year old who had decided to end his life in a similar way to Kate, having been alerted to the incident by a group of small children. The impact on others is horrendous. However I cannot begin to fathom how desperate the individuals must feel. All of us, whether employers, colleagues, friends must work towards positive mental health for all.

Aaarrrggghh · 05/06/2018 21:09

There is people who think about it most days but never go through with it

This is me. It's the way I've felt for years. Even had a plan at one point but I keep pushing on.

I've never been to the doctors because I just wouldn't know what to say. 'I feel like I want to kill myself......' then what.

Most people around me have no idea. I don't think I would ever do it already it's hard.

Why? Because I feel like I am the world's worst mother, step mother, wife, daughter, sister and friend. I hate myself and hate myself more for feeling this way.

Aaarrrggghh · 05/06/2018 21:10

*although

HariboIsMyCrack · 05/06/2018 21:11

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Cheerymom · 05/06/2018 21:14

Haribo i do not simplify depression, my father killed himself as did my uncle, my brother is bi polar and I have spent many many years working on this. I never said I had the right to tell you how to feel, nor do you have the right to suggest on a thread that people who have children can't die for suicide. That's all. Ive delay with my anger in safe places and would rather offer comfort to others who have had to suffer this.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 05/06/2018 21:14

Jerky to be selfish you'd have to reap the benefits. Someone who has passed will reap none.