to say, about Kate Spade's apparent suicide?

[Standandwait]

... that there are two things I take away from this:

1. there are a lot of people out there who you think are just fine and should be so happy but just aren't... not only Kate Spade, what about Robin Williams? Be aware others may be fragile and try not to hurt them.

2. if you think you're worthless and a failure remember there are probably other people out there who admire you and wish they were like you. Don't kill yourself get help.

I agree that when someone is going to commit suicide, they don't shout it from the rooftops, and many people are often puzzled as to why, as most people who take their own life don't ever give any clues beforehand.

Never heard of Kate Spade to be honest, but this is still sad news. R.I.P.

I've lost 1 friend, 1 neighbour and 1 cousin to suicide. The reasons are not always known, or there are reasons but only some people are privy to that information. Too many people speculate and they are often wrong.

Listening to someone describe how they found their sibling is heartbreaking.

to those of you who have experienced this

My stepdad committed suicide last month. His funeral is on Friday. I saw him today for the last time ever. My mum saw him today for the last time ever.

The utter devastation left behind is beyond belief, and we'll probably never understand why

3 members of my extended family have committed suicide. All of them appeared happy but were clearly not feeling that way at all inside.

(Got the poster's name wrong....)

What is YOUR problem @missionitspossible ???

"Don't kill yourself -- get help." may be naive but at least it's attempting to reach out. For all the suicidal people who won't take or won't be able to take note of it, it might reach just one person who uses it as a final push to get help.

But god it's all so desperately sad. The thought of being in such despair that you think it's a good option, leaving a child behind, being left. It's all rotten.

Thoughts with everyone affected by suicide.

@userv because that statement was beyond inappropriate

I think knowing why (on a general scale) is important. How else would we try and prevent it?

Same as why someone died of cancer .... because they had cancer.
Why someone died in an accident......because they were in an accident.

I speak as someone who has had two family members ( father and uncle ) die of suicide. In most cases there is an illness, depression, for example.

BTW it is recommended to say died from suicide rather than commited.

My god some people have no filter. Who gives a shit if you got a Kate Spade bag today and why would that be appropriate to add to the conversation? Especially with "shiver"..
A 13 year old child no longer has a mother and all around the world people are losing loved ones to suicide and dealing with the aftermath. So much ignorance here.

It's easy to blame the person who killed themselves for the pain that they leave behind. It's also natural to feel guilt about whether you should have noticed and stepped in.

The reality is that people who do this are very ill, they don't think rationally, most believe that the world will be a better place or they are in so much pain that they can't take it anymore.

It's not simple and it's not their fault.

..and they don't want people to know.

I think the OP had good intentions when this thread was started but I think it should be taken down now. Sorry OP.

The only person who knows the reason is the person themselves and a good proportion of the time, they don't really know either I think. We don't blame those who die of physical causes for leaving people behind, we need to stop stigmatising mental illness for a start. That might make it easier for people to want help.

Terribly sad.

I can't comprehend how the mother of a 13 year old daughter could even contemplate suicide. The gaping loss that would leave in the poor child's life, how utterly dreadful.

WaxOnFeckOff, I agree.

My DM tried several times in the last years of her life. There were many complex reasons why she did it. She did get help, but it wasn't enough. If someone really feels it is the only solution to whatever demons are plaguing them, then often, no amount of help will prevent them.

My thoughts will remain firmly with her family and friends

Suicide is one of life's mysteries. What I take from it is that her misery is now over, but she has forced her loved ones in to a life of never ending darkness, unanswered questions, never ending hurt, shock, disbelief. It's awful. It's fucking red raw fucking brutal.
There is no glamour, nothing. Just bare faced fucking awfulness that never ever goes away.
It hits you like a stone wall... and every time you relive it, the force of the stone wall gets harder against your head. It's fucking horrible

I can see the message about mental illness is really getting through...

Talking of inappropriate - someone's user name on this thread is actually KateSpade!

My DH told me once that in dark days he wanted to go out on his motorbike and ride it straight into a concrete wall. I felt great every time he went out in the car or bike after that I can tell you. However the fact is that he told me and he knew he didn't want to feel like that and he got help. Not everyone is able to articulate their pain before it consumes them. Deepest sympathies to all those affected here.