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To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

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Laudanumm · 03/06/2018 21:18

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?
OP posts:
frumpety · 06/06/2018 07:43

I wouldn't worry too much though OP as Brexit isn't going to happen Smile

siwel123 · 06/06/2018 07:52

Hilarious interview on GMB this morning. Concluded no one has a clue what they're doing.

TheElementsSong · 06/06/2018 08:02

As said by who?!?!

I wouldn't hold my breath for a response Beyond Wink

lostinsunshine · 06/06/2018 08:07

To answer the op, not petrol because it's unlikely to be safe if stockpiled in meaningful quantities. And it has a limited shelf life, as it were. Just make a habit of never having less than half a tank of fuel in your car.
Meds? If you need specific meds, I would think about skimming some off the top and storing as you go but meds also have a limited shelf life even if you push that a bit.
Food? Perfectly sensible to keep extra in storage at a level you are comfy with for all sorts of reasons.
Make sure you have the means to collect and purify water and/or have some cheap bottles stored.
Make sure you can keep warm if the power goes; and cook; and light your house. Think about the loo too. Just in case.
And have off grid entertainment that the kids actually enjoy .
If it's just a couple of days it's a bit of an adventure . Longer than that is a bit troubling but anything you can do for you and yours is a good idea.

lostinsunshine · 06/06/2018 08:17

And don't forget your pets, if you have any, store a bit extra for them and rotate your stock.

TheElementsSong · 06/06/2018 08:19

Funny thing is, despite being one of those ghastly Remoaning sorts, I don't really think that it's all going zombie apocalypse, and that we'll be shitting in holes in our gardens, burning the furniture for warmth and eating our pets. I imagine that (if Brexit happens!) it'll be more like a fairly gradual relative decline in our economy, living standards, political relevance etc, over some extended period.

But - you'd have to be pretty damn well, cast-iron certain that nothing at all could catch a hiccup or two, to not make sure you have a bit of stuff put by. That's why I'm interested to see how many of the Project Fear/Hysteria/OnlySunlitUplandsAhead Leavers who have posted on here really are willing to state categorically that they are that cast-iron certain.

Hence the pledge - it's a "put your money where your mouth is" question.

If, today, I simultaneously ran out of [to take a random selection of things - loo roll, petrol, logs, milk, bread, ibuprofen, MiL's essential medication and the freezer broke down destroying my batch-cooked meals] I'd be pretty damn annoyed at the inconvenience but I know I can go out and replace everything immediately. Some posters have explicitly said that this scenario will be exactly unchanged in the days/weeks/months post-Independence Day.

So I'm curious to see how many people really believe that and would be willing to [say they are going to] empty out all their reserves beforehand.

KennDodd · 06/06/2018 08:56

I think we're going to need another thread soon.

itstimeforanamechange · 06/06/2018 09:12

I thought the transition deal said that we stay in the CU and SM until December 2020.

Anyway I think it is highly unlikely that we will leave the CU despite all May's blustering to the contrary. SM - less certain because of the freedom of movement issue.

But I am not booking any holidays that require flights outside the UK/Channel Islands until after March 30 next year, just in case the Open Skies thing isn't sorted.

frumpety · 06/06/2018 09:22

time have the EU agreed to the transitional phase yet ? signed it off , got it writing kind of agreed ?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 06/06/2018 09:24

how many people honestly can say that their lives have radically and irrevocably changed since the Brexit vote?

Millions. People who have lost jobs/contracts, people struggling with higher food prices, EU citIzens in the UK, Brits living in the EU.

TheElementsSong · 06/06/2018 09:27

Millions

Mysteriously, all replies to that question seem to have been rendered invisible to the questioner Grin

Havanananana · 06/06/2018 10:16

@genius1308 - I for one have I problem with immigration, in fact i feel that the country needs immigration. As far as I'm concerned anyone should be able to travel where ever they want but they have to be able to work, pay into the country (taxes), and support themselves. Is that too much to ask?

This is already the basis of the existing EU Freedom of Movement rules. People moving from one EU country to another are required to register and demonstrate that they have work or sufficient means to support themselves within 3 months of arrival. If they cannot meet these requirements, they are required to leave.

In the other EU countries, this is strictly controlled. The only member that has not implemented these controls is - The UK. [The Home Secretary is responsible for this control - last incumbent Mrs T May, who actually reduced the number of border control and police officers].

This type of control would also require some kind of registration system and ID card. When Labour tried to implement this, it was loudly opposed, the main spokesman for the opposition at the time being one David Davis - who now of course proposes introducing the scheme post-Brexit.

ToftyAC · 06/06/2018 10:25

Quite frankly, it’s all media bullshit. I really wouldn’t pay too much mind. We don’t get fuel from the EU or all of our food. And big pharma certainly isn’t going to be missing out on selling expensive medicines.

DGRossetti · 06/06/2018 10:34

And big pharma certainly isn’t going to be missing out on selling expensive medicines.

No, it's the cheaper ones that they've stopped ? Already 10% of low-cost medicines are unavailable because manufacturers can't make a profit on them since the pound slipped in value (and looks set to stay there). Meanwhile the MHRA has abrogated responsibility, saying it's the job of the NHS to source medicines (er, it isn't).

GhostofFrankGrimes · 06/06/2018 10:43

frankly, it’s all media bullshit

Having reduced access to the biggest market in the world is not bullshit. Yes, the UK could source from elsewhere but at a cost.

siwel123 · 06/06/2018 10:49

Well It isn't bullshit. Seems as the government produced a report on the possibility of it happening.

Havanananana · 06/06/2018 10:51

@ToftyAC Quite frankly, it’s all media bullshit. I really wouldn’t pay too much mind. We don’t get fuel from the EU or all of our food. And big pharma certainly isn’t going to be missing out on selling expensive medicines.

Media bullshit? It is actually a government analysis prepared for the Dept for Exiting the EU. What's more, it is the second worse scenario - there is a scenario even worse than the one reported.

It doesn't matter where the food comes from. The UK only produces sufficient food to meet 50% of the countries needs. The rest is imported - and the import pipeline is about to become clogged up as lorries take 10 minutes instead of 30 secs to enter the country. Assuming of course that the UK has agreed the new treaties to replace the 750 treaties that become invalid on 29th March.

Big Pharma faces the same problem - or rather the NHS and patients face the same problem. The drugs will be in the same queue as the food lorries, and the lorries bringing the components to the Nissan factories etc. Assuming of course that the drugs will still be legal for use in the UK after March 2019 - see above re 750 treaties.

user1486062886 · 06/06/2018 10:52

Havanananana You may have no problem with FOM but plenty of people do, Why do we need it ? Visa based immigration yes, The EU as a trading block is a very good Leda, but there are many different countries and cultures and pay and welfare systems in the same block, it should all be the same.
I work with a lovely Polish lady and see openly admits one of the reasons she and her partner came here was her wages are double for doing the same type of job, jsa is double here to Poland, they get housing benefits, none in Poland, child benefit is more and of course the A’s they call the free NHS, What upside would there be for me to use FOM and go to Poland with our kids ?

AbsolutelyBeginning · 06/06/2018 10:52

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2000_problem

There are two ways to view the events of 2000 from the perspective of its aftermath:

Supporting view

This view holds that the vast majority of problems had been fixed correctly, and the money was well spent. The situation was essentially one of preemptive alarm. Those who hold this view claim that the lack of problems at the date change reflects the completeness of the project, and that many computer applications would not have continued to function into the 21st century without correction or remediation.

Expected problems that were not seen by small businesses and small organisations were in fact prevented by Y2K fixes embedded in routine updates to operating system and utility software that were applied several years before 31 December 1999.

The extent to which larger industry and government fixes averted issues that would have more significant impacts had they not been fixed, were typically not disclosed or widely reported.[60]

It has also been suggested that on 11 September 2001, the New York infrastructure (including subways, phone service, and financial transactions) were able to continue operation because of the redundant networks established in the event of Y2K bug impact[61] and the contingency plans devised by companies.[62] The terrorist attacks and the following prolonged blackout to lower Manhattan had minimal effect on global banking systems.[63] Backup systems were activated at various locations around the region, many of which had been established to deal with a possible complete failure of networks in the financial district on 31 December 1999.[64]

Opposing view

The contrary view asserts that there were no, or very few, critical problems to begin with. This view also asserts that there would have been only a few minor mistakes and that a "fix on failure" approach would have been the most efficient and cost-effective way to solve these problems as they occurred.

Countries such as South Korea and Italy invested little to nothing in Y2K remediation,[65] yet had the same negligible Y2K problems as countries that spent enormous sums of money.[66]

The lack of Y2K-related problems in schools, many of which undertook little or no remediation effort. By 1 September 1999, only 28% of US schools had achieved compliance for mission critical systems, and a government report predicted that "Y2K failures could very well plague the computers used by schools to manage payrolls, student records, online curricula, and building safety systems".[67]
The lack of Y2K-related problems in an estimated 1.5 million small businesses that undertook no remediation effort. On 3 January 2000 (the first weekday of the year), the Small Business Administration received an estimated 40 calls from businesses with computer problems, similar to the average. None of the problems were critical.[68]

The absence of Y2K-related problems occurring before 1 January 2000, even though the 2000 financial year commenced in 1999 in many jurisdictions, and a wide range of forward-looking calculations involved dates in 2000 and later years. Estimates undertaken in the leadup to 2000 suggested that around 25% of all problems should have occurred before 2000.[69] Critics of large-scale remediation argued during 1999 that the absence of significant reported problems in non-compliant small firms was evidence that there had been, and would be, no serious problems needing to be fixed in any firm, and that the scale of the problem had therefore been severely overestimated.[70] However, this can be countered with the observation that large companies had significant problems requiring action, that Y2K programmers were fully aware of the variable timescale, and that they were working to a series of earlier target dates, rather than a single fixed target of 31 December 1999.[60]

DGRossetti · 06/06/2018 10:53

What upside would there be for me to use FOM and go to Poland with our kids ?

How goods your Polish ?

user1486062886 · 06/06/2018 10:57

DGRossetti I don’t need to cut my income in half lose potential benefits to learn Polish thanks , I could learn it here.

lostinsunshine · 06/06/2018 11:01

Why use your FOM to go to Poland right now if you can go and work in Spain or France or the Netherlands or Germany.

user1486062886 · 06/06/2018 11:03

AbsolutelyBeginning My cousin works for an IT company and he was very open and honest at the time he and his company were making a shed full of money changing and updating systems, over 80 % would have carried on working fine, But the customers were adamant they wanted them to do the work

CarlessFandango · 06/06/2018 11:09

I am fucking terrified if this all goes tits up! My son has type 1 diabetes and requires insulin to stay alive. His insulin is manufactured in Denmark.

I can easily envisage the scenario where we run out. We already sometimes have trouble with supply issues for his meds and test strips, so imagine on leaving day the knock on effect of disruption to imports. It's not just a case of put a little bit by and stock up - we only get the bare minimum per month as it is, there is no leeway to stock up!

Living with a child with a disease that could kill him is stressful enough, without this unneccessary worry.

So, thank you so much you Brexit fuckers who have brought us to this. I will never, ever forgive the racist, "Little Englander" mentality that whipped all this up! Enjoy your fucking blue passports! Angry

lostinsunshine · 06/06/2018 11:15

@CarlessFandango - speak to your GP . I totally get how "putting a bit by" doesn't work for you. If your GP doesn't help, contact the relevant association/charity. You need sensible advice that relates to your specific situation. Chances are, you won't need to worry but it can't hurt to look into it.

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