Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think vegetarian dd is being unreasonable?

646 replies

Abergavenny · 31/05/2018 19:54

A few weeks ago, Dd aged 14 declared that she is now a vegetarian. It’s a bit of a hassle, given that the rest of us (2 parents + 2 siblings) all eat meat, but I’m getting the hang of it i.e. doing quorn chicken for her while doing normal chicken for the rest of us.

Yesterday, however, she refused to eat what I’d made her - I’d done a tomato pasta bake with meatballs, and put veggie meatballs in at one end for her. But she refused to eat it because it had been cooked in the same dish as the meat.

AIBU to think she’s being unreasonably precious given that she ate meat for 13 and a bit years before this?

And is it unreasonable to refuse to cook her anything else, and tell her she either eats veggie options cooked in the same pan as meat or makes her own meal?

OP posts:
rosesandflowers · 02/06/2018 21:29

At eleven?! Shock

That's awful.

HidCat · 02/06/2018 21:51

Treated so badly? Because he learned to cook instead of having his every whim adhered to? Do you honestly think they would have let him go hungry? God forbid a child actually learns to do something for themselves FFS. I also learned to cook at a young age but let me guess, that's fine because I'm a girl?

BlackeyedSusan · 02/06/2018 22:02

yabu.

not bloody difficult to put it in a separate dish. you could ask her to spend a fiver on the dish from the supermarket if you want.

ds went veggie for a year, even refusing haribos which were his favourite til then. His sister and I supported him in his choices. It is part of growing up to make decisions for yourself about food.

she should learn to cook her own meals as well, as a life skill, but not as a punishment for making a fuss about this dish which would have been disgusting to most veggies.

polsha · 02/06/2018 22:05

Treated so badly? Because he learned to cook instead of having his every whim adhered to?

His parents refused to cook for him at ELEVEN years old. That's fucking awful. Being a vegetarian isn't a 'whim'. It's a choice, not a reason to stop making your DC a meal.

also learned to cook at a young age but let me guess, that's fine because I'm a girl?

Learning to cook at a young age is fine. HAVING to cook because your parents refuse to is not fine. Fuck all to do with gender.

Honestly I'm so sad at this, even more so that you are defending it Sad

polsha · 02/06/2018 22:05

Top paragraph bold fail, sorry Blush

ShamelesslyPlacemarking · 02/06/2018 22:07

Because he learned to cook instead of having his every whim adhered to? Do you honestly think they would have let him go hungry? God forbid a child actually learns to do something for themselves FFS. I also learned to cook at a young age but let me guess, that's fine because I'm a girl?

I started cooking a family meal 1-2 times a week when I turned 10 (as did my brother) and I still find it sad to think of an 11-year-old being expected to cook all his own food because a partial accommodation of his choice would be whim-pandering.

HidCat · 02/06/2018 22:27

@polsha , @rosesandflowers and @ShamelesslyPlacemarking for context, my brother wasn't vegetarian and continually found fault with food cooked by other people. He was told that if he didn't want what was put in front of him he should cook something for himself instead. He would check what was being cooked and decide if he wanted to make something else. At no point did anyone refuse to cook for him. I apologise for getting defensive there but my original post clearly gave rise to a lot of assumptions about child abuse which are simply not the case.

polsha · 02/06/2018 22:31

apologise for getting defensive there but my original post clearly gave rise to a lot of assumptions about child abuse which are simply not the case.

Actually no. Your original post did nothing g of the sort. It did lead to the assumption that he was told to cook his own food due to being a vegetarian though, considering you mentioned the OP DD and drew a direct comparison.

Interesting how it's not that at all when people have pointed out how awful that was.

HidCat · 02/06/2018 22:38

@polsha I meant the comparison in terms of age and not wanting the main family meal. Should've made that clear.

"Interesting how it's not that at all when people have pointed out how awful that was."

I wouldn't defend neglectful parents on an anonymous forum. The simple fact is that assumptions were made that were false and I've clarified that.

Graphista · 02/06/2018 23:29

"older dd is frequently anaemic from heavy periods" no excuse - there are plenty of iron rich vegetarian foods. The odd day or 2 a week isn't going to harm her, it's actually not good for anyone to eat red meat 7 days a week.

Plus frequently with anaemic people it's partly because they're not having foods rich in vitamin c alongside the iron rich food which is necessary for absorption.

Also if her periods are SO heavy it's making her anaemic (rare) you should be getting them investigated by a gynae. Not just accepting it. Because if that is the case they'll be losing other nutrients too.

I was anaemic before becoming veggie a few times, not once since. I have endo which by the time I went veggie the heavy periods aspect at least was being treated by being on the pill (took another 12 years to get diagnosed).

"I think mummy has a favourite child" yes I'm thinking the same.

And as the dd with periods is ALSO clearly old enough to cook...

I turned veggie 30 years ago at 16. My mum did say I'd have to cook my own dinners then as she "wasn't running a cafe" but that comment was also in response to me not getting in from college until later than our family dinner time and my bro taking up a hobby around the same time that meant he was also going to be late for dinner.

So rule was - let mum know day before if we'd be in for usual dinner time. IF mum was by coincidence making a meat free meal that day (eg macaroni cheese, thick lentil soup, quiche - mum's was red pepper and cheese). Then I didn't have to cook. Plus they were all easy to reheat/eat cold.

But yes at 14 certainly old enough to at least cook her veggie part of the dish, most dishes it's not difficult to keep component parts meat free.

Eg if my mum was making a 'meat and 2 veg' type meal she'd do enough potatoes and veg for me and I'd have to make something to go with. This was pre Quorn etc so I'd make up some bean feast (soya mince - came in various flavours), or sosmix (dried soya mix that could be made up into veggie sausages).

NOW it's incredibly easy to be veggie so much choice. And yes it's easy enough if the rest of the family are having eg fish fingers for veggie dd to have veggie breaded fingers.

Would it really be so hard op to make eg spaghetti bolognese with pan of pasta, pan of meat mince, pan of veggie mince? I don't think so.

My dd is not veggie and I cook meat for her alongside my veggie food. If I'm doing a 'one pot' dish I'll make veggie but if not it's not hard to make meat and veggie.

arethereanyleftatall - I was diagnosed with ibs just a few months before I turned veggie. When I stopped eating meat a lot of the symptoms cleared. Didn't think much of it initially. But on a couple of occasions in the first few years when I was given by accident veggie food cooked in meat juices or with a small amount of meat in - HUGE flare up.

We now know red meat can trigger ibs for many AND that it can cause stomach problems inc cancer.

So it's NOT just about ethics for some veggies/non red meat eaters.

Plus as has been said numerous times - a lot of veggies don't like the taste. And it's just plain disrespectful behaviour from the op. If she'd said to her dd she didn't want to cook veggie food that's one thing, but to agree to do so and then NOT is out of order.

Coffeeorsleep - some people ARE veggies because they can't eat meat. It's rare but you can be allergic/intolerant to anything including meat. I don't see it as any different than my mums shellfish allergy.

Re Quorn - I don't even remember what meat tastes like, but I like Quorn. I can appreciate some don't like it but that doesn't mean it's ok to look down on those who do. We all like different foods. Eg I can't stand white chocolate so I don't eat it, I don't judge those who do like it.

Re medical need - the idea that the only source of iron for someone that's anaemic is outdated and unhealthy. The underlying cause of the anaemia needs to be diagnosed and treated first, then a healthy balanced diet including non-meat source iron rich foods and vitamin c and avoiding foods that BLOCK absorption is the next step.

"If vegetarianism is "fussiness" can I just check that the religious based diets of Muslims, Jewish people, Hindus, Buddhists etc are all equally "fussy"? And that you as a meat eater aren't fussy about what you choose to eat, so insects and dog would be fine, say if you were in a country where those items were commonplace?" Exactly! Eg I didn't understand all the fuss from meat eaters re horse meat. I can understand from those with allergies but just on the basis of it being a meat not usually eaten in the uk? A cow doesn't suffer any less than a horse that is killed for meat. Had some interesting conversations with meat eaters who were not allergic to horse meat who could not articulate exactly what their problem was with it.

Juells - defo agree on LMC sausages, fantastic in a sausage and bean casserole

"You are bonkers. That's like giving her gravy from a meat casserole and saying "there's no meat in it" " I've had this done to me, person made a lovely veggie quiche, potatoes and veg...then covered it in bloody meat gravy! By this point I also knew it would set off my ibs dreadfully (and far more anti-socially than refusing the meal). Then dh got 2 dinners.

"Not wanting to be made think about the cruelty involved in meat-production, IMO. So the anger is turned towards anyone who might make you feel a bit guilty." I agree, it's defensiveness.

Whenever I have to say I'm veggie I get one of 2 reactions

1 defensive/eyerolling/piss taking
2 "oh I don't actually eat that much meat now" as if I'm suddenly going to critique THEIR diet (which I don't unless specifically asked).

"I find the anti vegetarian attitudes on Mumsnet very odd. It’s almost as if people take it as a personal affront." Sadly not just on mn.

"If someone defines their own eating habits as vegetarian then that is what they are, regardless if you agree or not." No sorry but just no! It's like those people that say they're vegetarian but eat fish. Vegetarian means no flesh or flesh/carcass products are consumed. If you're eating gravy, products containing gelatine etc you're NOT a veggie. Fish - not a vegetable, chicken - not a vegetable.

"And of all the meals to use as an example, the one in the OP is probably one of the easiest to cook veggie and non veggie versions of........" Absolutely!

Arethereanyleftatall - that you don't seem to know ANY Jews/Muslims/Hindus/Buddhists etc in itself is somewhat odd. How is it you know NONE? Do you even know anyone with food allergies? Who can't eat certain foods because of the meds they're on? Who don't eat certain foods because they have sn and certain textures or smells put them off? If you go on holiday to eg France, Far East, South America would you eat horse? Insects? Dog? Guinea pig?

Re being veggie for 10 yrs and you'll die - wtf! There are billions of people who are/have been veggie for religious/cultural reasons who've lived to ripe old ages. 38% of Indians are veggie that's 1/2 a billion right now! In fact some studies show veggies live up to 10 years LONGER than meat eaters.

Ilikeyourhairyhands - careful - giving an iron supplement to a child with no diagnosed need can be unhealthy even dangerous.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/iron/

Re happy/healthy well I'm neither particularly, but not because of being veggie! I've recently had a ton of blood tests because of meds I'm on can affect absorption of some nutrients - all fine and dandy, also cholesterol, bp and blood sugars also fine.

As I said no anaemia since pre-veggie days, depression, OCD, endo and ibs all pre-date turning veggie (and the endo improved slightly, the ibs massively IMPROVED after going veggie) and my spinal disability was caused by some Pratt hitting me from behind with their car! (I was stationary at red traffic lights).

Reallyanotherone - try being a vegetarian, teetotal non-smoker 😂

Which makes me sound like a total party pooper! I'm veggie for ethical reasons but I'm not preachy about it, though happy to discuss it. I can't drink due to meds. Both parents smoked heavily and I'm seriously asthmatic so even trying one could've landed me in hospital and frankly I don't see the point.

So...yabvu op. Be more supportive of your dd who has made a sensible, relatively mainstream choice. And treat both dds more equally there really does seem to be a bias towards your other dd.

condepetie · 02/06/2018 23:30

Did OP ever come back? I'd imagine not for some reason...

GoldenMcOldie · 02/06/2018 23:39

Think it's been established that the OP is DBU.

My DS is vegan. It does make dinner a bit complicated but he has never eaten red meat, was vegetarian by age 11 and vegan at 14. He needs to eat. I am his parent, it's my responsibility to ensure he eats properly.

The notion that I would have forced him to cook for himself at age 11 because we were eating a beef stew is just unacceptable.

CadyHeron · 03/06/2018 01:53

Did OP ever come back? I'd imagine not for some reason...

Yes, there was a few excuses though.
Namely other child is anaemic which is fair enough, but there's loads of none meat foods out there with lots of iron in and a meat free meal a few times a week wouldn't harm anyone!

Oliversmumsarmy · 03/06/2018 08:53

Yes, there was a few excuses though.
Namely other child is anaemic

If she is eating meat everyday then it is not working.

Teetotal, non smoking vegetarian here too.

Re the guy who said about dying if you ate vegetarian for 10 years. He was quite an intelligent person. Also on one of those celebrity doing this or that type programmes. One of the people on it was saying how vegetarians get ill and die because they are lacking a nutrient in their diet.

No one if i remember rightly put her right.

As i said upthread there is enough b.s. about vegetarianism on this thread to do a whole stand up routine.

rosesandflowers · 03/06/2018 08:57

Treated so badly? Because he learned to cook instead of having his every whim adhered to? Do you honestly think they would have let him go hungry?

My understanding was your parents forced him to cook his own meals at eleven, because he didn't want to eat meat. Not that he simply learnt to cook at a young age.

I think discussing the DD straight before had me thinking it was the same scenario. Apologies.

Ellyess · 03/06/2018 11:41

Abergavenny Oh bad luck! Commiserations! It happens a lot! Sorry but you are lumbered, and you can't shove a veggie anything into a meat saucepan. Sorry! You've just got to have another small saucepan for her stuff cooking away while your meaty stuff cooks in the big one.

My DD was the same. Then she found a meat-eating boyfriend and the veggie phase stopped...

nannykatherine · 03/06/2018 19:16

get her to do her own cooking

LoniceraJaponica · 03/06/2018 19:31

For every meal nanny? Hmm

leopardprintpillboxhat · 03/06/2018 23:56

Yabvu: be proud you have raised a caring thoughtful young person and respect her mature decision. If this was an allergy issue you would never had cooked it together! Heartfelt decisions deserve praise. Maybe a family discussion is due so your daughter can explain her new diet and why she has chosen it.

Thorsday · 04/06/2018 00:13

If the others don't have to do their own cooking/wash up after dinner, she shouldn't have to either. Everybody should (theoretically) do their own share, she shouldn't be punished for being veggie.

Also, yeah. There'd still be meat juices in her half, veggie or not.

I never understood why people didn't make veggie meals more often if they're cooking for a vegetarian rather than whining about having to make 2 meals. Anybody who won't eat a vegetarian meal (barring health reasons) is being more precious than her.

LoniceraJaponica · 04/06/2018 07:29

"Anybody who won't eat a vegetarian meal (barring health reasons) is being more precious than her."

This ^^ with bells on.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread