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AIBU?

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Aibu to think it’s not a holiday for me?

323 replies

shitholiday2018 · 29/05/2018 15:19

We are very lucky. We are away. We self cater as hate hotels and having to be on someone else’s timescales for being up, meals etc.

Every single year I fucking hate it. It’s no holiday for me. I forget in between but I end up doing all the shit still despite being in of two parents. My husband is not unkind but impractical and, frankly, utterly thoughtless. I had a lie in today and awoke to find the kids had just watched tv for two hours. No breakfast. No essential medicine for one of them. Couldn’t see why I was pissed off. Wet towels from his beach bag still in there from yesterday, unwashed. He has to be told to do every minor thing. It’s exhausting and I’ve had enough.

This happens literally every year. I have a tantrum a day or two in and it gets vaguely better. I’m bored of tantrumming, I’m upset and tired of it all. He said today he couldn’t steam broccoli despite there being pans and a microwave and I literally went into shut down. He is extremely bright and does a high pressure job but can’t work out how cook his kids some veg.

I just can’t talk to him because I’m all out of words. This is ten years of holidays and I’m done explaining why it’s not a holiday for me. I’m done giving the same explanations about meds, skin conditions, bed wetting arrangements, how to cook fucking broccoli etc for the millionth time. I’m fed up with being the only parent here. I work too but assume all th childcare resps usually as I do part time and lower pressure. I don’t mind this (genuinely) but think it’s makes him utterly lazy and thoughtless - because in everyday life he never has to think about anyone but himself.

I always make sure everyone eats enough, drinks enough, medical conditions sorted, clothes clean, done enough exercise, de-stressed etc. I like making sure everyone is happy and well. I am self sufficient but sometimes it becomes very clear that there is no one ever doing that for me and I’m bloody fed up of it. My kids aren’t old enough to be responsible, they are completely blameless in this.

I don’t need solutions as there are none. I just want to know if I’m being unreasonable in being utterly fucked off and essentially ignoring him.

OP posts:
shitholiday2018 · 30/05/2018 14:17

So a stay at home parent gets no holiday? Seriously? Unless you earn pounds and pence directly, you don’t deserve a break? Are you actually kidding me?

I’m genuinely flabbergasted.

OP posts:
shitholiday2018 · 30/05/2018 14:20

What Edi says reminds me of that fabulous 195s housewives guide (written by men) which says stuff like ‘lower your voice when your husband arrives home, he’s had a hard day, get his slippers, massage his feet etc’. Edi you are a 1950s man, reborn in female flesh.

OP posts:
Ariela · 30/05/2018 14:22

I think at 7 and 8 your children are too young to be steaming broccoli alone
Really? I'm all for teaching independence at an early age, the microwave steaming method is pretty fool proof if you instruct how long to leave it before taking out of the microwave (egg timer? timer on ipad?) and to use oven gloves (take your own?) it's so simple I'd expect any child that can safely reach the microwave even by standing on a chair - again teach them how to do it safely - to be able to do it. I think you need to step up your children to help themselves more, they're not babies any longer. Even if it is only in a list of things they need to do in the morning before waking any parent.

When you get home you can expand their list of tasks, thus reducing the amount you are doing. (although I will agree a 3 year old does not hoover as well as an 8 year old, you might have to re-do some tasks sometimes like folding sheets but sooner or later they'll master it)

Graphista · 30/05/2018 15:04

You need to send him this (and I know a pp already posted but he'll send him it twice, daily even!)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/amp/?client=safari

Read this

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Strategic%20Incompetence&amp=true

And hopefully this will make you smile (wryly)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQgDwA0BNU

It's laziness - not just of action but of thought and consideration.

Regardless how the holiday pans out you need to sit him down for a "serious chat" re the balance of not only the physical work but as you now know the 'mental load'.

Working 'long hours' is no excuse. He gets not to do stuff while at work but it's no reason he can't do SOME of the tasks necessary to run your home when he IS there.

He can CERTAINLY give you at least a lie in at weekends, and do the majority of household work for a day each weekend.

You work too - both in AND out of the home it's your holiday too.

Honestly every time I read threads like this I understand why I've stayed single for so long!

Being a Lp is tough, being a Lp to someone who is SUPPOSED to be an equal partner is even tougher.

My dad was/is a shit in many ways (including never cooking) BUT holidays were half board because it was "mums holiday too" including he made sure she had her share of lie ins and we didn't wake her for petty shit he was perfectly capable as an adult man of coping with! So we'd either have cereal or bread for breakfast or he'd take us to a greasy spoon type place sometimes. My brother went through a short lived fussy phase and mum almost gave in and was going to go to a supermarket and get food she knew he'd eat but which would necessitate considerable effort on her part. Dad wouldn't have it - bro funnily enough discovered there WAS food he liked in the resort - funny that.

For now - make him programme his phone with reminders for essentials (meal times and meds) and tell him to act his age! At 40 he KNOWS that children need feeding, supervising etc he's disingenuous if he claims otherwise.

I agree not "naturally thoughtless" but selfish and unwilling to acknowledge that others have needs. Given he was like this when you first moved in I am baffled why you had DC with him. I'd have lost my shit LONG before this point!

"He totally missed the point of the article." Don't be so sure that wasn't deliberate. Making you feel guilty for 'suggesting divorce'. Rather than acknowledging he's a selfish lazy shit (unless he's being paid!). Honestly I wonder if he's actually read the full article and not just the title?

I do agree you're at a crossroads. Either you accept it and therefore can't complain, somehow get through to him and he does change or leave him.

Did his parents have a 'traditional' set up? Did his mother work? Because I frequently read threads like this and I reckon the men THINK they're just in a "traditional" relationship BUT they don't EVEN do the stuff that was traditionally "men's work"!! The woman is doing all that TOO!! (My ex was like this - still is from what I hear).

As I said my dad was pretty shit BUT if he were getting himself a snack/cuppa he'd ask mum if she needed anything, before he was ill did all the "man" jobs in the home - DIY and house maintenance, car maintenance inc admin (organising mot, service, repairs, getting best deal on insurance), gardening, financial admin, putting the bins out, carrying heavy items eg food shopping.

Are you REALLY equal at home? What does he do when he gets home from work? Laundry? Dishes? Ironing? I doubt it! I suspect he's fed, watches tv/plays computer games, bed, wakes in morning, showers, dresses, MAYBE gets own breakfast, heads to work. How close am I? What does he do at weekends? Anything for any family member OTHER than himself?

Of course he doesn't WANT to change you're going to have to give him motivation to - because this suits him just fine being waited on! Not having to do anything.

What is the medication form? I'm with pps that at 7/8 your child should be able to sort it themselves unless physically impossible or Sen involved. A friend of mines child has type 1 diabetes and has been doing his own bloods/insulin injections since he was 5/6 perfectly competently, inc writing down his numbers.

Do the veggies HAVE to be steamed? Most can be eaten raw with no ill effects.

I also agree at 7/8 again providing no additional needs, they're perfectly old enough to - dry their own towels, put their own things away tidily, help at mealtimes with laying table etc. Don't be raising your DC to be like their father!

Re kids making mess when doing chores - they have to learn. Cleaning up after themselves is part of the chore/responsibility. Again, seen repeatedly on mn mothers of mid-late teens who don't pull their weight BUT they've NEVER been taught/expected to for up to 16/18 years previously! My dd has been contributing to the tidiness of home since she was little (age appropriately), yet I've been accused of neglect even being abusive for what she does. As a parent (and this applies to you AND your dh) your job is to create competent independent adults, I've seen 19/20 year olds that can't manage food shopping, laundry or REALLY basic cooking. It's ridiculous.

Also they'll make mess initially but they learn the motor skills AND to clean up.

Very glad to read small improvements are happening - sounds daft but praise praise praise! Don't give him the ammo to stop by overly criticising!

Then came to you basically finally losing your shit! Totally understand why. Hopefully he'll take it on board. DO NOT let him use it as an excuse "why bother trying when I still got an earful" style.

And you're right it's not "helping" it's equal responsibility, equal parenting.

Another thought - you said he loves the DC - would pointing out that parenting PROPERLY not just Disney style creates a bond closer than just being the "fun" parent?

As for Edi and Vagues supposed views - like fuck! Jesus even before annual leave was a right even servants got Sunday's, Christmas and Easter off! NOBODY but slaves work 365 days a year! And Lp!

Graphista · 30/05/2018 15:05

For Edi, vague and similar "thinkers"

m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWcJZ210AaM

Idontbelieveinthemoon · 30/05/2018 15:11

Being lazy is a conscious and deliberate lifestyle choice, one which I can't cope with. You're doing his share of the work constantly, no wonder you're not happy.

Divvy up the chores and write a list. Don't ask him what he's doing, tell him the way you'd tell a particularly incompetent fool. Don't let him sit in silence and peace til he's accomplished everything on his list. Let him pick up the slack whilst you're away and have a long, long conversation with him about the fact that you're unhappy and about to change things.

timeisnotaline · 30/05/2018 15:13

Another one saying ignore edi (and anyone else who says sahps don’t need holidays! Just wow...)
It’s not the self catering, we prefer self catering but I have a dh who pulls his weight. However if he asked how to do something basic like steaming broccoli I’d probably say ‘you know that phone thing you spend a lot of time on - try opening google and type this in ‘how do I steam broccoli’. I’d probably spell broccoli for him but he’s get the point either way. In your case I wouldn’t have washed the towel either or done any of those things specifically for me. Maybe you should pretend it has bird poo on it and leave it in the sink soaking if it happens again Grin
Mind you when my dc were small we had a holiday and I was doing all the baby care thinking , visiting city planning and being a good guest at bils. Dh was pissed I forgot to get him a wedding anniversary. I explained that there is only so much space in my head, and he can take it as a given that if I am ever again stressed out while we are on holding because I am doing all the thinking planning and politeness for us while he goes for a run etc, he won’t get an anniversary card or a happy anniversary as it is the least romantic way I can think of to spend time.

timeisnotaline · 30/05/2018 15:13

anniversary card. holiday not holding. And all the other typos...

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 30/05/2018 15:36

@shitholiday2018 I salute you for telling your husband how you feel. So many people would have taken the path of least resistance.

The challenge now will be to rewrite the rules for holidays and daily life.

Also I've met many men who work long hours to get out of doing their fair share at home, as opposed to the demands of the job. Funnily enough they are always able to finish at five if they're going to the pub, but have to stay on until 6.30pm if all that's waiting for them is DC bedtime

speakout · 30/05/2018 15:37

For those that relate to the magic laundry basket then you should have a serious word with yourselves.

Have a bit more self respect than to act like a servant.

Seriously.

It takes two. If she is stupid enough to pick up his crap and leave his folded clean clothes on his bed while he treats her like a servant then she is a dumb bunny.

Feminism begins at home.

VogueVVague · 30/05/2018 15:37

I take back my SAHP thoughts. Thinking more about it its not the right attitude anf i apologise to any SAHPs!

Graphista · 30/05/2018 15:41

Brave and well said Vague.

Choosegopse · 30/05/2018 15:42

Tbh I think YABU and Yanbu. Don’t spoil the holiday by being in a mood. Just eat out or use no cook foods for now. Then sit down with husband for a proper conversation when you get home.

shutthedamndoor · 30/05/2018 15:51

Ok, I have another approach to the argument...
We used to get very caught up in being tired... I'm so tired, I need to rest, well, I did a 60 hour week so I need it more, you had a lie in yesterday etc. Eventually we decided to stop competing about it, and agreed that we were both tired and we both needed to help each other. If one of us is on our knees, the other one steps up, regardless of whose turn it is.
I wonder if you could initiate a similar conversation?
You are on holiday together, and that's the point. A holiday is the main time where you get to actually be a family and spend time together. You doing all the housework means that you all miss out on the fun family stuff.
Surely your DH would like more time with you relaxing WITH him and the kids?
Wouldn't it be more logical to share out the chores so that they take less time/effort?
I don't know if this is an approach that suits you OP but I thought I'd put it out there.

speakout · 30/05/2018 15:58

I don't think anyone should be doing housework on holiday.

ReanimatedMuse · 30/05/2018 16:00

So a stay at home parent gets no holiday? Seriously? Unless you earn pounds and pence directly, you don’t deserve a break? Are you actually kidding me?

I’m genuinely flabbergasted

For a start parents of school aged children shouldn't be in a position where they cannot have some downtime during holidays. Children of that age simply don't need monitoring every minute.

I believe strongly in the concept of equal leisure time. I work FT. Monday - Friday I have very little if any leisure time during the week.

DH who is a SAHP to school aged DC has plenty of leisure time.

When we go on holiday I don't expect him to do everything but I do expect for things to be weighted a little in my favour. He can run/cycle/golf/whatever throughout the entire year. I cannot.

I don't think that's an unfair position to take.

EdiShowers · 30/05/2018 16:03

It's not about sexism- it's about the role you have and what that requires. When DH was a SAHD and I was working 13 hour days, I'd have been fuming if he thought he could lie in bed on holiday and watch me run round steaming vegetables.

His role was to support the family- that doesn't stop on holiday.

BlueSapp · 30/05/2018 16:07

Edi, you are a goudy fucker wise up! the clue is in the name family holiday, its for the whole family not the one who thinks they deserve it most, I despair for your children if your instilling this attitude towards marriage in them, its shocking in the 21st century!

LagunaBubbles · 30/05/2018 16:14

I think in most families, the idea that the working parent should work 12 hour days and then be expected to steam vegetables and make beds on 'holiday' would be met with derision

Well thankfully when I married my DH regardless of who has been the STAP as we both have been at 1 point we became a team and as such both do the dirty work on holiday.

The working parent enables the SAHP to go on holiday in the first place, so they should be treated as such

Again we are a team or whats the point in being married.

speakout · 30/05/2018 16:22

Who wants to steam vegetables and make beds on holiday?

Not my idea of fun.

BlueSapp · 30/05/2018 16:27

Not my idea of fun

no its not but regardless he a fucking grown up and if needs must then it needs done so why shouldn't he do it!

Lacucuracha · 30/05/2018 16:29

Edi give it up, we get it, it's boring now.

speakout · 30/05/2018 16:36

no its not but regardless he a fucking grown up and if needs must then it needs done so why shouldn't he do it!

Yes I agree.

speakout · 30/05/2018 16:39

But then I couldn't stay with an arsehole.

GreenTulips · 30/05/2018 16:53

I don't think anyone should be doing housework on holiday

Yep- if he still out the office you should be out of the house work

Then just have fun with the kids

I'm all for lie ins but taken in turns.