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AIBU?

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To think this woman is using stress leave for chilling out?

284 replies

Skylight23 · 25/05/2018 03:48

Not a friend, I know her quite well because her DS and mine have been friends for a long time. She is a doctor with NHS and her DH has a city job.
She has been on and off on stress leave for a few weeks. Her younger DS is doing 11plus this year and her brother’s family is visiting them for 2weeks (from USA). She told me the other day that she is struggling to manage everything and she might go to the GP and cry to get some time off. She has been shopping, spending time with her brother’s family. Also hot housing the younger one with tutors. She can’t take him to this particular tutor if she works (tuition 4pm to 6pm). So much for being stressed! She isn’t stressed. She just has soo many other things that she wants to do, that work is coming in the way! I won’t be surprised if she gets stressed again in August (school holidays, summer days on the beach, 11plus, childcare costs). She always hated the fact that she has to work (in debt to eyeballs). She gets really pissed about her DH not making enough for the lifestyle they want. Makes jealous comments about SAHMs at school.

AIBU to want to report her? I must admit I’m jealous. I too wanted time off when DS was doing 11plus, I too wanted paid time off when my family visited (without having to use my holiday entitlement), I too want time to generally chill out. But my conscience won’t permit this “crying at the GP” thing.

OP posts:
ichifanny · 25/05/2018 09:59

I think OP is one of the people who thinks she pays the NHS wages so therefore has a say . Being off sick with stress totally railroaded my career and stopped and chance of promotion , but I’m alive and still able to work so hey .

Onlyoldontheoutside · 25/05/2018 09:59

Juggling a family life in with being a doctor is stressful.Being continually stressed has a cumulative effect.
As for your comment about her knowing how to work the NHS system!Sadly the NHS is not sympathetic to sick members of its workforce.I saw one college being put through the wringer by NHS HR after several episodes of being off with stress.They did send his widow flowers though.

mogonfoxnight · 25/05/2018 10:01

I agree with @thisnamechanger, it sounds like an off the cuff ironic comment, without any indication of the real extent of her stress nor what has caused it. You didn't give her a chance to explain what she meant if she wanted to by questioning it at the time. And you didn't give her a chance to make a mental note to never trust you with an off the cuff ironic comment again, for that matter.

YABVU.

PlatypusPie · 25/05/2018 10:02

My husband had a stressful job - taking over management from someone incompetent, wrestling the firm back into profitability, conscious that he had the livelihoods of a large staff at stake, lots of long haul travel, long days. He loved it, loved the challenge, loved the thought of the next step. Years and years of it, when said he would hate a routine, comfortable job. I can hardly think of any sick leave he took over that time.

Until suddenly the wheels started coming off - sleeping badly, getting easily irritated, recurrent stomach complaints, a generally pessimistic outlook that was just not him, forgetfulness, finding it hard to engage. I was getting very worried, but he either snapped at me or moaned about his colleagues who had previously been completely confident about. Finally, after a lot of prodding he went to see his GP about persistent headaches and came back, slightly astonished, saying he had been signed off with stress - had had a great talk, at which she had pointed out all the patterns of his life and his symptoms.

He took a long break, went on a trip to see a brother overseas, pottered about the garden - must have looked like a lovely extended holiday but it was actually a time of healing and reflection ( together with company sponsored CBT counselling ) He was fortunate to have a very helpful GP and board of directors. He then took a sideways step - handing over the chief managerial role to his deputy and taking a part time consulting role. A drop in income, but with both DCs no longer financially dependent, it was, and is, manageable.

There may have been those looking from the outside saying he didn’t look that stressed and ‘aren’t we all in modern life’ but seeing someone gradually not functioning properly despite their best efforts, is quite a different experience. I’ve made it all sound quite a smooth process but, as anyone else who has been through this will know, it isn’t.

Racecardriver · 25/05/2018 10:03

For all you know she might be on the verge of a panic attack and the flippant comments may be her way of dealing with it. I am under a great deal of stress myself at the moment to the point where I am experiencing chest pains daily. You wouldn't know looking at me and if I told you you probably wouldn't believe me because I don't look or act particularly stressed just a bit Black really. Some people do that. They just hold it in and don't talk about it seriously because they know that if they indulge it the floodgates would just open. She could be hyperventilating between appointments while you are on here bitching about her. Do here a favour and just end the friendship.

Strugglingtodomybest · 25/05/2018 10:15

On the off chance that the op is for real I'd just like to say:

I must admit I’m jealous

No shit Sherlock!

4GreenApples · 25/05/2018 10:17

I’d stay out of it.

There’s two possibilities really -

  1. she’s genuinely stressed. Maybe she doesn’t handle stress as well as you, OP, maybe there’s other causes of stress in her life that she’s not shared with you, maybe all the flippant comments about crying to get time off etc is just her way of putting a brave face on things. And if she’s genuinely stressed to breaking point, then you reporting her will just make a bad time worse.

  2. she’s not genuinely stressed and is just playing the system to get extra holidays. In which case, sooner or later she’s likely to get caught out by NHS sickness policies anyway. Not to mention the possible negative effects on her career of having all this stress leave on her record if her managers aren’t sympathetic to mental health problems.

So either way, I’d leave it alone.

DanielCraigsUnderpants · 25/05/2018 10:54

"stress leave" is not a thing. What is a thing, is being signed off work sick because of stress.

For what its worth i was signed off work for stress, depression, anxiety (whatever label you want to put on it) on a few occasions throughout my career. In jobs ranging from the local co op to management. My life looked perfectly nice on the outside. Until the point I completely broke, my closest friends had no idea the battles raging inside my own head every day. I didnt get a proper diagnosis until i was 34 and pregnant. These issues blighted my life and I'm sorry to report that I probably wouldnt have passed your self developed assessment. To you it might have looked like I was faking it because I could still visit my family, or go to the shops. I wished I was dead the whole time I was there. But that doesnt matter to you does it? Because you obviously no better.

Sweatymoose · 25/05/2018 11:32

What else is she supposed to do on stress leave? Sit in the corner of her room pulling her hair out? People who are stressed/depressed don't always show it publicly, and you admit she's only someone you know, you aren't friends, why would she offload all of her worries and problems to you. People have different coping mechanisms, maybe the job isn't suited to her capabilities, but that's none of your business.

She is a doctor, what exactly is it you do? I doubt it's as stressful as being a NHS doctor.

You sound incredibly bitter and jealous Biscuit

Stripybeachbag · 25/05/2018 11:46

MN is so argumentative. AIBU means its is okay to be judgemental against judgemental.

When someone pops up and says I am feeling a bit under the weather, not actually sick but fancy a duvet day to get myself together, people turn up with pitchforks demanding that the person be sacked for causing others extra work.

The OP presents a situation where on the face of it, someone is taking the piss and the pitchforks are facing the other way because of some mental health issues that are guessed at. Of course all the other posters have far more insight to this woman than the OP.

But I must remember that someone said up thread that chilling at home is okay if feeling overwhelmed by having relatives over to stay when trying to get child into grammar school.

LittleLionMansMummy · 25/05/2018 12:03

The thing is, piss takers exist and she may be one of them. But I don't think you can say for sure, and that's part of the problem with mental health being taken seriously. Because of the piss takers, genuinely ill people are viewed with such suspicion.

I don't see how having family to stay is supposedly proof of her not being stressed. Dsis has been staying a lot with us recently because she's escaping an abusive relationship. I've enjoyed her company and we've unwound with a few glasses of wine. But the situation is stressful and supporting her has taken a bit of a toll on dh and I as we haven't had much time to ourselves (and our 2 dc) recently. I'm not sick with stress, but all in saying is that you have no idea why her family are staying and what kind of effect it's having behind the scenes.

NotACleverName · 25/05/2018 12:07

I think the keywords there are “on the face of it.” The OP has no idea whatsoever what this woman may or may not be going through. She could be taking the piss or she could be just about at breaking point. The OP doesn’t know for definite and has put her point across really badly, she this just comes across as being bitter and jealous.

Nikephorus · 25/05/2018 12:13

The OP presents a situation where on the face of it, someone is taking the piss and the pitchforks are facing the other way because of some mental health issues that are guessed at. Of course all the other posters have far more insight to this woman than the OP.
This ^^.
Struggling to find a convenient slot to have your groceries delivered because you left it too late? Say you're stressed and take the day off.
Didn't have time to wander round the shops at the weekend because you had to go to the cinema and a meal with friends? Sounds stressful, take a day off 'sick'.
Other half left the toilet seat up for the first time ever? Sounds like really stressful marriage difficulties - as you prepare to LTB have a week off for stress.
Battling depression and really struggling to get to function at all? Tough shit, no-one in management will believe you because the rest of your department are all off already.
Instead of beating up OP, try attacking those people who take the piss with sick leave. They're the ones who are making it difficult for those who genuinely need time off for stress because now stress is seen as an easy option for a free few days off.

IrmaFayLear · 25/05/2018 12:20

What people always fail to acknowledge is that there really are piss takers out there. Surely we have all encountered at least one in the world of work.

I have a family member who worked at a (famous!) private mental health facility. They then quite openly guided many other people (including spouse and adult dcs) how to fill in forms/what to say to GP etc etc in order to take leave for stress. And also how to manipulate the "clock re-setting" system whereby in some jobs you can return for a short time and then go off again. They said to me, "You just need to know the right buttons to press" when suggesting that dh could extend his sick leave much longer (actually dh was lap-topping work from his hospital bed the day after a five-hour operation).

daisychain01 · 25/05/2018 12:25

Instead of beating up OP, try attacking those people who take the piss with sick leave. They're the ones who are making it difficult for those who genuinely need time off for stress because now stress is seen as an easy option for a free few days off

No, how about the advice of getting on with your own shit, keep your beaky judgemental nose out of other people's decisions and not create a thread to self-justify.

AIBU is for when people are in a dilemma and need a perspective.

The OP has created a compelling case as to why an acquaintance is playing the system - and their point IS???

Nikephorus · 25/05/2018 12:29

No, how about the advice of getting on with your own shit, keep your beaky judgemental nose out of other people's decisions and not create a thread to self-justify.
Because if everyone turns a blind eye to it then it continues and the people who really need the time off end up stigmatised.
And as for judgemental - well I think there are a lot of people on this thread being decidedly judgemental about OP Hmm

Hadjab · 25/05/2018 12:29

Interesting thread.

My line manager advised me to get signed off by my GP with stress when my husband had a stroke, as that was the only way I could get paid and have time off to care for him whilst he spent a month in a coma.

Does that make me a malingerer too?

Ted27 · 25/05/2018 12:29

I don't usually comment on these types of posts but seriously, working from a hospital bed the day after a 5 hour operation. Is that really a good way to recover? Or do you just want to make people who think taking a fewweeks off after major surgery is a good idea, feel inadequate.
I'm always staggered by these posts by how much people seem to know about others who they say are not their friends, their finances, their relationships, their mental and physical health.
I know there are piss takers out there, I've had to manage my share of them. I've also had time off work for stress related reasons.

Fact is none of us know the truth about this woman so its pointless speculating.

UmmMeToo · 25/05/2018 12:32

I know what your saying OP. I agree.
We all have stress in our lives daily, doesn't mean we abuse the system and all should get signed off for "stress". Sounds like she just wants extra time off to do what she wants. Some of the posters on here are so cruel and rude, it's unbelievable.

DiddimusStench · 25/05/2018 12:36

I must admit I’m jealous

Bingo. And therein lies the real problem.

mumprincess12 · 25/05/2018 12:39

I totally get your frustration - I agree life is stressful and if everyone stressed went on the sick the country would grind to a halt.

Bearhunter09 · 25/05/2018 12:41

There’s a difference between being a bit stressed about life and suffeting debilitating stress/anxiety etc. It sounds like you have no idea about her mental health. The doctor will have gone through all this with her. The usual recommendation is to get out and about as much as possible, do positive things. Tbh judging people’s mental health (and I suspect you are one of the it’s all made up brigade) makes you a first class bitch

redherring4 · 25/05/2018 12:43

The problem is that so many people think they know what is going on for someone when really they have no idea.

How could you possibly know if someone was taking the piss or not? People are not obligated to discuss their true thoughts and feelings with anyone.

lardymclardy · 25/05/2018 12:44

You OP are a dick.

How do you know exactly how she is dealing mentally with this stress?

It's people like you that when I did return to work after a 4 week hiatus being signed off with stress and depression that I felt my colleagues were completely against me, unsupportive and sometimes downright snidey.

I resigned from a much loved job because nobody truly appreciated what I was going through.

Mousefunky · 25/05/2018 12:49

She’s a NHS doctor, of course she is stressed! You have no idea what it is like to work within the public sector if you can’t understand why she would be stressed.

‘Stress leave’ doesn’t mean you should become depressed sitting in the house all day watching daytime TV. She is trying to keep her mind active which is important and healthy.

You don’t even know the woman, YABU.