To ask why there's so much hate for Meghan?

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Curious as to why there seems to be so much negativity towards her? I genuinely know nothing about her.

Is it just jealousy?

I don’t think it’s anything to do with her race, I think people would be like this about any American C-list celeb marrying into the royal family. I think people are dubious about her reasons for marrying him.

"Um, when people use expressions like the race card, it makes them sound like casual racists."

that's just bullshit.

No, it really isn't.

The expression "the race card" is only ever used by people expressing casually racist ideas.

The idea of "the race card" is that BME people have some kind of special winning trump card that they carry around in their handbags ready to draw out and play at any moment. And that white people have no such card to play and are therefore at a terrible disadvantage. It's a racist narrative.

If you're unaware that this is an expression that has a racist connotation, fair enough. But once you've been told it has, if you carry on using it, you're making a deliberate choice to express a racist narrative. Fill your boots.

It's not jealousy. It's racism.

Are you always fixated on skin colour? Because those who are, are the ones who can be accused of racism.

"Are you always fixated on skin colour? Because those who are, are the ones who can be accused of racism."
I'd like to tease this out a bit. Can you say a bit more about what you mean?

Making up definitions now Lydia, are we? Laughable.

I don't like her because she loves the limelight and comes over as slick. There'd be no humanitarian acts without a camera there. I know people that have devoted their lives to the benefit of others and they wouldn't dream of even calling themselves humanitarians or posting photos on instagram of them hugging black kids in expensive safari clothes.

They don't wear clothes worth thousands of pounds either.

I wonder if all the jewels she'll wear have been ethically mined. I doubt it given a lot will have been in the family for generations.

Lol I have a good laugh at the DM comments - FYI I’m a republican and don’t give a hoot about any of them. We only know what’s portrayed to us, good and bad.

This is why the DM readers for various reasons don’t like MM:

1. Why couldn’t he find a nice English girl (sometimes this is racist and sometimes just xenophobic)

1. Concept that a random American has leapfrogged us all in the social strata

1. Her confidence

1. Any idea that she may wear the trousers in the relationship / because she’s more mature, this isn’t actually healthy for him (mother figure etc)

1. They haven’t been together long. This i do get - cue responses of “well I married after a week and we’re still together”.. but the stats aren’t great

1. This i do get - harry (?) did not invite the public in on the “journey” at all. Nothing really. You need to warm them up to the idea of doing anything, get them invested. We don’t know much about MM or their relationship.

1. Speculation about MM - which tbh together doesn’t look rosey, but we don’t know the full picture. Eg no old friends, what happened to her dog, we says she’s a feminist bt gave up her job for this, all those rumours about how they really met and any overlap with the last boyfriend, why she isn’t close to her mother’s family, her dads family are crackpot. They should’ve actively dispelled these way before the wedding, not the week of.

1. My point... I want equality!! I don’t want a RF! I don’t care if they apparently add money to the coffers (erm France anyone?), it’s so wrong wrong wrong on principle to believe this and teach our kids this! Plus it feeds into the idea of having a short cut in life...”if only I could marry a prince”..

Ultimately I think people who do hate MM (and some of them seem to) do it because if there are any flaws/projected flaws it highlights those of Harry too, who we’re all supposed to think is some angel. Eg how many people really believe the “blind date” story?

I felt positive about it because tbh she’s mixed race, and yes it is positive to see diversity at all levels of society so everyone knows they can do/be anything. But... taking titles, spending so much on a wedding, moving the homeless out of Windsor when you’re “humanitarians”... come on

Yes, her feminist credentials are picked up and dropped whenever too. The prize was too big so she sold out. She did it before as well - the tacky lad's mag advert. Just horrible. Not someone to admire at all. I'd like rid of the whole family and hopefully this will be another nail in the coffin.

No Lizzie, I don't think I am making up definitions.

What is it about my post regarding the casually racist expression "the race card" you think is me making up definitions?

Plus their engagement photos?! We want the RF to be primarily low key/smart with flashes of glamour and a tiara once in a while, they didn’t hit the right note with that one

As in... some of their first couple photos should’ve been relatable so we all root for them, not a Hollywood style shoot in Windsor. Even if the tax payers didn’t pay for the £50k dress, it’s a bad image to make and creates distance when we already don’t know them that well

Lydia - there's no clear proof of racism on this thread. If someone said what the hell is a black women doing marrying into the royal family then yes, proof of racism. There is none. People can dislike her for other reasons such as the one I gave. And they shouldn't be called racist just because they dislike her. You can't presume racism. There has to be some proof. You can suspect it all you like but it doesn't hold any water.

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Also Wallace Simpson. I've heard that one used as a dark predictor of what happens when UK princes marry Americans.

lizzie - my posts re racism have been about the use of the casually racist term "the race card". It was used on this thread.

There have been several ghastly threads and ghastly contributions to originally well-intentioned threads in the last few days. I suspect many of them have been deleted

This is showing all the signs of being another one.

The handful of usual suspects will pile in, spout vicious crap at each other and make up more bullying crap to entertain themselves.

Meghan, however, is now married to the man she loves, the wedding went perfectly and she looked absolutely beautiful and gracious. It's done.

It looked like a wonderful day, and away from the sweaty little knot of outraged keyboard warriors, the majority of the public seems to be very happy for them.

If it's a racist term what country has a law against it being said? You've said it's a casually racist term but where's the proof as in some links that it's something that can't be said, ever.

If someone said what the hell is a black women doing marrying into the royal family then yes, proof of racism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

I think the comments about Rev Curry would have been the same had he been white TBH. It was the difference in style that has people frothing.

But it is a particularly African American style of preaching. I haven't seen any comments about him that were racist, but some have been culturally insensitive or maybe just the result of ignorance. Harry and Meghan were trying to meld two cultures in their wedding; Bishop Curry represents part of American culture that is associated with African American religious traditions.

I’m saying this purely from a PR perspective as again.. a republican..

Because she’s from America, and Cali no less, well most of us have no clue what sort of person that makes her... we all have an image in our heads of someone from different parts of the uk (you can make up in your head the best and worst image from any one city)... but we don’t know about her or where she’s from enough.

Eg - went to a fancy school and grew up in Hollywood... not good

But.. her mum seeming like a lovely person, working in social care and being a yoga teacher... very very good

They should’ve projected more of what’s relatable about her, what’s warm and more human. Statements like “I’m a humanitarian” don’t chime in the UK where we’re pretty cynical

But undeniable things like who her mum is (and Christ she looks so nice) would’ve gone down better with the press

Overall.. they should’ve had us got to know her better. They’ve made the public feel like the don’t matter, when it’s so easy to fool the public into feeling like they’re part of the magic and romance.

I'm not clicking on a dodgy link called dog-whistle-politics. You copied a sentence of mine but there's been no one saying any such thing on this thread.

I'm not clicking on a dodgy link

I've heard it all now - wikipedia is a dodgy link

Dodgy? It's from Wikipedia and seems to me a good explanation.

I'm not talking in code. I've given reasons why I don't like her and think she's fake and it nothing to do with race. Believe that or don't believe it, I don't care. Not everything is about race when the person being talked about is black. So many people on here hear what they want to hear. It's very boring and shuts down debate.

Anyway, I let you all stew in your righteousness.

lizzie the expression is used as a common means of shutting down discussion. It's a casually racist term. It's not up to AskAuntLydia to provide proof. It's up to you to try and understand its use and to take action. By not doing so and by making the demands you are making you are continuing and accepting a casually racist philosophy.