To think feminism has gone too far.

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Mr Men books, Little Miss books. Why are they saying these children's books are giving the wrong impression to children. All the books we read as youngsters, are being dissected as being sexist. Snow white looking after the dwarfs, Sleeping Beauty, needs a kiss from a Prince to wake her up. I love a man opening a door for me, to let me go first. My DH changes places with me so he's walking on the side of the pavement that is nearest the road. I know some of you are going to tear me to shreds, but I just had to say what I've been thinking for a long time.

Now hop off to the feminism board

I've read that board from time to time and quite frankly the posters are terrifying. It's not a welcoming place. I'm too scared to post there, if you're not all about "smashing the patriarchy" you don't fit in.

I loved my mum reading me The Practical Princess and Other Liberating Fairy Stories when I was wee in case anyone is looking for recommendations. It's out of print but you can get it secondhand. It's brilliant.

I don't think it's terrifying at all, I've learned loads from the feminism boards, and I was libfem to my core when I first joined MN.

“I've read that board from time to time and quite frankly the posters are terrifying. It's not a welcoming place. I'm too scared to post there, if you're not all about "smashing the patriarchy" you don't fit in.”

It really, really isn’t. Give it a try.

I never knew that about Sleeping Beauty! Does that version record how SB reacted on awakening? Joy in her delightful children and thankfulness and incredulity (with a touch of a humble brag) at being able to catch such a handsome powerful prince all whilst she was asleep?

I have found the feminism boards a fantastic source of information.
The only thing terrifying about it are the eye opening things you realise you when you start to read them.

I've always found the feminist boards very well mannered and informative. Unlike AIBU.

And it's manners that matter, right?

Feminism board is brilliant really... despite occasional outbreaks of Erasure videos and 1980s pop music.

The fairy tales, the bible stories and all the rest of ou r shared past are a rich cultural history I would always tell to children. In addition even in the 80s I bought specifically feminist books showing women as doctors and the ilke so not surprisingly my daughters are fairly well paid London lawyers as I am - Feminism rules okay. We reap what we sow in life.

I never knew that about Sleeping Beauty! Does that version record how SB reacted on awakening? Joy in her delightful children and thankfulness and incredulity (with a touch of a humble brag) at being able to catch such a handsome powerful prince all whilst she was asleep?

She went onto Ye Olde Mother’s Scroll to ask about the whole consent issue......

Don’t think so myrtle. There’s a translation of the older Italian story here: www.mftd.org/index.php?action=story&act=select&id=3364 Pretty gruesome!

We need to put the "obey" back into the wedding vows. Who removed that anyway, bet it was a woman? Bloody feminism, can't have nowt!

What do you mean RainbowFairies - we are supposed to enjoy our Erasure! tips hat to Shon

ye olde mother's scroll whereupon she found an AIBU "to serve my cheating husband the hearts of his illegitimate children?" Although I do like the proverb at the end of 53rds link 'those whom fortune favours even find it in their sleep'

Aww leggere, I went to a relative's wedding two years ago and she had 'obey' included, at her own request. Her DH didn't even want it.

It's particularly weird as she's about as independent, feisty, assertive- and capable, as it's possible to be. So assertive, that she insisted that she obey him. Is it me, or is there a bit of an oxymoron going on in there?

I don't think feminism has gone far enough. When we don't even need to have these conversations any more then the job will be done.

then the job will be done.

What will this look like? What is the end goal of feminism?

Apart from the odd one of two, who have the intelligence to understand the point I was making, the rest of you are just boring me now. Someone made a comment I must have had a very sheltered life, far from it, I won't bore you with the details, or that will be something else you can rip the piss out of. I was warned about joining MNs by a group of friends who said three quarters of you are like a pack of dogs fighting over a bone, I can see what they mean now. I don't think I am mentally strong enough to be part of this pack.

What is the end goal of feminism? I would like all

women to be listened to as much as men are?

Re the feminism board. If you're not all about "smashing the patriarchy" you don't fit in. Agreed.

I was most pissed off they wouldn't let me move the "obey" bit of the vows to DH's lines to be honest! Think I might have terrified the registrar with the "I am NOT saying I'll obey him and no bugger's giving me away cos I'm not a bag of spuds" as almost my opening line when booking the wedding!

Likewise when I met back up with my estranged father as an adult and he was cooing about how "touched" he was that I'd kept "his" surname - I shot that one down with a very very hard stare and a "no, I kept MY surname."

Apart from the odd one of two, who have the intelligence to understand the point I was making, the rest of you are just boring me now.

If you can't put across the point you were trying to make so that most people can understand it, then it's you who lacks intelligence.

Well done on the trolling, though.

Coral, there is no point in trying to get people to feel sorry for you. It is incredibly frustrating to hear women dismissing feminism and implying that feminists are bullies. Why are you doing this? Why start this thread at all if you are not interested in reading any of the links/quotes or even responding to people's questions?

In every post you have been trying to attack other posters by accusing them of aggression. That is all you have done....attack attack attack yet spinning it to make yourself appear the victim.

Unless you're a mansplaining wind up merchant who just wants to tell the little women how to think "properly" and dispense manly wisdom and be worshipped for it - feminism is actually a very tame board once you get your head around it. Compared to AIBU or the doghouse on a bad day it's like a soft play - squidgy but you might find the odd poo in the ball pool.

It's possibly one that takes a bit of lurking and reading around rather than just jumping in cold - but that's kind of good to do with most forums really.

Coral, stop being so arsey! You've got a conversation going, what more do you want? You could always join in?