To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

Smeddum I have worked in Belfast, during the troubles and after, what makes you think that people would definitely go back to the trouble time, maybe people and time has moved on and people nowadays would rather use negotiations to come to a solution

GhostofFrankGrimes So no real answer to how the government had control over FOM

What negotiations would there be? Most people would be opposed to hard border. Therefore, don’t do it simply to appease English brexiteers

They could have set a limit on how many people per year, as other EU countries do,

No they don't, that was one of Camerons negotiating points before the referendum that got rejected.

That would be for the gov/civil service to sort wouldn’t you agree user?

BartholinsSister

"Wasn't there a big referendum or something?"

I think I heard something about that as well.

GhostofFrankGrimes Then the EU and Ireland and Britain will have to come up with a compromise, yes that is for them to sort out,

I have worked in Belfast, during the troubles and after, what makes you think that people would definitely go back to the trouble time, maybe people and time has moved on and people nowadays would rather use negotiations to come to a solution

You worked in Belfast? Did you speak to anyone, see the gable ends? Walk down the Shankill? The Falls Road?

Because I’ve spent a lot of time in Belfast growing up, and as an adult. And I don’t see it being as simple as you think it will be. Do you honestly think that the paramilitaries have decommissioned their weapons? That the people of NI want the GFA (which they fought so hard for, to bring peace) to be torn up?

Then the EU and Ireland and Britain will have to come up with a compromise, yes that is for them to sort out

Genuine question. Why did you vote for something that had no guarantees or even ideas about what was to come?

User, your blind faith will run out at some point

I’m assuming the paramilitaries are beside themselves with the excitement of what might come. Many would love nothing better than a half decent excuse for some ultra violence. They haven’t gone away you know.

I’m assuming the paramilitaries are beside themselves with the excitement of what might come

I wonder how many people outwith NI will still think it’s not their problem. When every one of them who voted leave will have blood on their hands if the GFA is torn up.

Smeddum Yes I did, I at first I found it intimidating, but not everybody wanted the violence, they just wanted to live their lives, What a lovely city it is now, still with reminders of the past, surely people wouldn’t want to pick up arms again, I might be wrong,

surely people wouldn’t want to pick up arms again, I might be wrong

Belfast is a wonderful city, with wonderful people.

You are wrong. You are very, very wrong. And if the GFA is ripped up, you’ll see that. Your view is naive at best I’m afraid, but it won’t be you and others like you who live with the consequences. Yet again NI/Ireland will be the ones living with (and dying for) the actions of the UK government.

Smeddum It said on the form leave or remain the EU, nothing else that was the only two options, it is not up to me or anybody else to come up with the answer to every problem, The government is there for that reason, if they don’t have the answers why did they put the vote to the public ? Do you or the government honestly think that when voting the first thing on their mind is the GFA, as bad as that sounds, somebody in Hull, Birmingham etc would think off every ins and outs of the vote, everybody had their own reason for voting as they did

"user1486062886
... not everybody wanted the violence, they just wanted to live their lives, What a lovely city it is now, still with reminders of the past, surely people wouldn’t want to pick up arms again, I might be wrong"

You know something User, I don't think you mean to sound dismissive. But I think you are woefully uninformed.

There is only peace in NI because of the GFA. Even then it was a battle to get agreement - lots of compromises had to be made.

People are happy to live their lives when those lives have rights protected and enshrined. If you whip that away then what exactly are you leaving behind - If you take Irish citizenship and the rights that it entails away from people who ceased violence to secure it what do you think might happen?

And if you place a physical border in Ireland and make people account for their movements within their own land and to their own family members then removal of their rights is exactly what you are doing. It is that simple.

You can’t vote for something and then throw up your hands when it causes major issues because you didn’t do your research.

This information was all available before the vote, you voted without doing your research so you have to take responsibility for the mess this vote has caused. You and everyone else who voted.

It was well known that the Irish border was a contentious (at best) and sensitive issue, it was well known that the government had no plans, no guarantees and no way of predicting anything after Brexit.

You can’t blame anyone else now.

There is only peace in NI because of the GFA

This.

Smeddum Did AM think through her open door policy that led to many deaths in the Mediterranean Sea or by her people being killed or assaulted by immigrants, you could say she has blood on her hands

The one thing that gets to me is people saying immigrants do a job that british people do not want to do.
I think this is more a case of British people cannot afford to do.

This is especially thecase in the building industry. My father & brother both worked in the building industry.
They experienced the first influx of eastern European workers.
They would stay 10 to a house and literally live off spam and bread so they could send as much money home.
They could do this and undercut my father and brother as they had mortgages and English cost of living.
Yes immigrants will do the jobs some british won't do. Because they will work for peanuts. I we should think this is a good thing?

The government is there for that reason, if they don’t have the answers why did they put the vote to the public

That is a very good question.
Although I don't think the poster meant it in this spirit.

Also, I must say I'm continually fascinated by the dichotomy of 'will of the people ... we're sick of experts' and 'oh it's not for little old me to sort out is it, let's leave that to the government/EU.'

I think this thread has punched a big hole in the Remainers are fully knowledgeable about the EU myth

Smeddum I am afraid that is rubbish, it is not up to me or other people to consider every outcome of my vote, I and many others voted the way we did because of other issues that might affect us more, why did the government give the public the vote if these and other issues can not be resolved,

TomRavenscroft But why is it up to me to sort out, I was asked a question which I gave an answer too, leave or remain, not leave and how would you handle it, can you give us some help in your spare time.