To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

Numerous companies threatened to leave Scotland in the event of a yes vote in the Indy ref (because membership of the EU for Scotland would be compromised), which helped to sway the vote.

Do you think those same companies won’t do the same post Brexit? Or that they’ll absorb the rising costs of goods so we don’t have to?

Smeddum No you are wrong it is not immigrants that I dislike, it is the never ending growth in the population with no end in site and no growth in infrastructure ( yes Gov fault) with no governments listening Brexit was the last resort, why do you want to make out everyone hates immigrants, it’s the system we don’t like. I work with a few Polish and they are far more racist than most people I know and hate the Germans still ( WW2)

Because (according to the majority of Leave voters on this thread) they don’t want immigrants/refugees (and nobody will realise the difference).

I'm not a leave voter, but when you have people on this thread who on other threads talk about just raising the NMW, companies should fail if can't cope etc, etc then with the soft form of bigotry continually mention about fruit being left to rot is at somewhat not really following their beliefs.

The answer is not to rely on an endless supply of minimum wage labour, which is what a lot of the Remainers on here sound like.

Motheroffourdragons Because it was said the would be in case of a leave vote an immediate and deep recession, interest rates to double, house prices to fall 30%, pound to collapse ( it didn’t, it fell, back where it was now) etc it didn’t say in the future maybe after a few years, sometime.

@user1486062886 if it’s not immigrants then surely the UK population rising isn’t going to be solved by Brexit? So either it is immigrants, which means I was right. Or it is the British birth rate, which Brexit won’t change!

Infrastructure is the UK governments remit, so again, Brexit makes no difference to that.

All of your complaints are about the UK government not doing what they need to do. So making them solely responsible without any comeback from the EU seems really odd to me.

How will brexit eradicate low pay? The sovereign British government sets the NMW!

And the EU set an awful lot of the workers rights/conditions which I don’t think people will realise won’t be valid after Brexit.

[Unfortunately, the carrot should have been the members (individuals, not countries) of the EU feeling the benefits enough to want to stay.]
There is a certain irony that several places that happily received EU redevelopment funding in the past seem to have forgotten and voted to leave. Maybe it is the graffiti on the signs that were put up that obscured this fact.

Smeddum The population rate would stabilise without enforced immigration, we wouldn’t need such a massive increase in infrastructure if we didn’t have such a large number of immigrants, As I said numerous times the past and present governments have not wanted to or don’t want to listen, so the Brexit vote was my last chance to try and change something, as many remain people moan about their children’s future, I care about mine and the Grand children, I would hate for them to say why did we let so many people in and nobody did anything before it was a major problem,

User, can you point me to this massive increase in infrastructure caused by foreigners? Don’t say house builders because house building will always happen.

GhostofFrankGrimes It won’t eliminate low pay, that is the problem of setting a min wage, But the min wage is not low to many of the immigrants, so are happy to do the work, if they can’t come in I presume people think that to get the workers the wage will have to go up

Smeddum The population rate would stabilise without enforced immigration, we wouldn’t need such a massive increase in infrastructure if we didn’t have such a large number of immigrants

No you are wrong it is not immigrants

Both your comments within the last hour. How do you expect me to respond when you continually contradict yourself?

Except they won’t go up because buisinesses will lobby government.

Also if there are not British workers in certain areas to do jobs and you stop migrants who the hell will fill vacancies?

Also if there are not British workers in certain areas to do jobs and you stop migrants who the hell will fill vacancies?

Nobody considered this either.

Gardengeek was it this one?
www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

GhostofFrankGrimes We need a massive infrastructure growth to accommodate all these extra people, in my village alone, the pop has doubled but the infrastructure has stayed the same, schools ( now 35 to a class), Doctor surgery, ( min 3 weeks wait , ) Dentist, Adult and children social care, etc, surly you can see that by adding more and more in a guick time puts vast pressure on services, it takes roughly ten years from design, planning, land purchase, building to put a new hospital up

Smeddum You said we hate immigrants, I don’t, I’m not contradicting myself

User, there is a village near to me that is expanding and not increasing services to accommodate. Fuck all migrants round here though. Say do you think this might have more to do with greedy developers?

How will brexit eradicate low pay? The sovereign British government sets the NMW!

Simple Supply and Demand will help alleviate low pay, pretty much everyone has accepted this and as I said before if companies rely on importing a constant stream of low paid staff then they will have to adapt.

Ignoring that principal the fact that 4000 Eastern Europeans haven't travelled to work here because situations back home have improved financially shows that people will blame anything onto there pet hate.

Even Corbyn has been saying and is on record of doing so, it is you who I referring to considering your anti Tory stance on many many other threads.

Also if there are not British workers in certain areas to do jobs and you stop migrants who the hell will fill vacancies?

I suppose they'll have to pay higher wages to attract workers. Supply and demand.

NMW, remember, is not setting the wages in major metropolitan areas. Self-employed cleaners (almost uniformly migrant labour) are commanding £12/hr on the fringes of London, and more in the centre.

GhostofFrankGrimes So you are happy for that to happen, how do we know what to build etc when we have now idea what our population will be in 5 years time, All of Portugal might come here next year ( joking) I cannot see what is wrong with controlling numbers into your country, Australia,New Zealand, America etc do it, why can’t we, jobs on a visa based system.

As already stated there is a shortage of British labour in some areas so even increasing wages isn’t going to attract a non existant labour force.

Ok user, you’ve gone from a freeze on migration to visas.

I look forward to this brexit utopia were wages rise and house prices fall. There are plenty of Brits in poverty pay now and the government is doing nothing for them