To wish the EU would throw us a bone so we can cancel Brexit

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They don't want us to leave. We don't want to leave. So what could Macron'n'Merkel offer us so we can say "go on, we'll stay together for the sake of the kids".

@MissionItsPossible but how does voting for a government who doesn’t listen to have ultimate control make any sense?

It’s not that people aren’t listening. It’s that the arguments for Brexit literally make no sense at all.

Smeddum What are my options if the previous and present government aren’t doing anything about mine and a lot of other people’s concerns

The poster wont accept that the government can already control immigration. Won’t accept immigration is needed for jobs shortages and won’t accept the GFA is incompatible with Brexit If people cannot accept this then that’s their problem and the misguided vote will not address their “concerns”

@Smeddum
Because governments change depending on whch way the wind is blowing politically and many people them to be directly accountable rather than shifting blame onto the EU when it should be whoever is in power at the time that should be held accountable (like Ghost's point regarding it was up to the UK to apply restrictions)

In what meaningful way can the government under Existing EU law control FOM ?

What are my options if the previous and present government aren’t doing anything about mine and a lot of other people’s concerns

Ok, fair enough. How will Brexit address your concerns and make things better, in your opinion?

Because governments change depending on whch way the wind is blowing politically and many people them to be directly accountable rather than shifting blame onto the EU when it should be whoever is in power at the time that should be held accountable (like Ghost's point regarding it was up to the UK to apply restrictions)

How will Brexit change the status quo? What will change for the better?

@user1486062886

They could have set a limit on how many people per year, as other EU countries do, but chose not to. Many in the UK blamed this on the EU and the UK government stayed quiet because it suited them that people thought this. Now that they know they could very easily be voted out of power without the EU to hide behind as an excuse I hope that they pull their fingers out and start listening to the people they are supposed to be representing.

What can you say when someone's concerns about immigration aren't based on facts?

Yes - the standard of living for a lot of people has fallen to shit. Thank the austerity government for that, not immigrants.

Someone point me in the direction of actual facts showing that immigration is detrimental and maybe they'd be taken more seriously.

@Smeddum See below (or above, if you're reading this first).

GhostofFrankGrimes I said many times I have no problem with controlled immigration, this government or previous governments have not been controlling immigration ( DC a figure in the 10,000 he said was his aim )
It is not my job to sort out the GFA, why wasn’t there a clause in there if ever we or Ireland left the EU, they nearly did

user1486062886 Wed 09-May-18 14:52:47
HappyHugs It’s not up to me, direct that question to are very well educated Mp’s, I haven’t got time to do their job as well, how would I post on here😀

1. I have serious doubts how well educated they are. Public school privilege does not an expert make
2. I have no MP in Westminster to whom I might direct such a question. That is what a democratic deficit looks like.
3. It is not up to you....until you don't like the outcome.

They could have set a limit on how many people per year, as other EU countries do, but chose not to. Many in the UK blamed this on the EU and the UK government stayed quiet because it suited them that people thought this. Now that they know they could very easily be voted out of power without the EU to hide behind as an excuse I hope that they pull their fingers out and start listening to the people they are supposed to be representing

I absolutely agree with this. But the fact that wanting immigration control led to Brexit which will have long lasting, far reaching negative consequences, is enormously depressing.

Because it would appear people focused on one issue, aided by UKIP and the Leave campaign, without considering any of the advantages of being part of the EU and without actually really thinking about the consequences.

It is abundantly clear that the government had no contingency plan, hadn’t even made a plan because even they believed the electorate would never fall for a campaign fronted by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson!

GhostofFrankGrimes I said many times I have no problem with controlled immigration, this government or previous governments have not been controlling immigration ( DC a figure in the 10,000 he said was his aim )

What makes you think they’re going to now?

Ireland has never come close to leaving the EU. If your faith in sorting NI is with politicians you are going to be disappointed

MissionItsPossible How can you set limits with FOM People can just come and go at any airport, port etc how can you stop people ?

There's going to have to be something between a soft and a hard Irish border. The GFA doesn't trump the UK's right to withdraw from a trading block that has run wildly amuck.

I do realise you Remainers have bet the farm on the Irish border.

It is not my job to sort out the GFA, why wasn’t there a clause in there if ever we or Ireland left the EU, they nearly did

Saying “It’s nothing to do with me” doesn’t help anyone. It is, and it will affect you.

There wasn’t a clause because it wasn’t on the horizon 20 years ago, and because the GFA was about ensuring the peace process worked in a meaningful way and saved lives.

You’d register in the system as soon as you work pay tax

There's going to have to be something between a soft and a hard Irish border. The GFA doesn't trump the UK's right to withdraw from a trading block that has run wildly amuck

Any attempt at any kind of border between Ireland/NI would be catastrophic to the peace process. The implications are enormous, and grave.

Remainers didn’t bet the farm on anything. Leavers were too ignorant of the facts, or arrogant enough to think NI/Ireland would just do as they were told by Westminster. Neither of which changes the implications for NI.

There is no such thing as something between soft and a hard border. Why should the little englanders interfere in Ireland? People on the island of Ireland voted for GFA and to remain. Will of the people.

The GFA is a peace treaty, if it is ripped up, all bets are off.

Do you really want to go back to a time where bombs are going off, the streets are patrolled by soldiers and people are dying? It’s an uneasy peace as it is, don’t think for a second the paramilitaries are gone. They’re not, they’re just dormant .

GhostofFrankGrimes So when you reached the limit set, the person/ people would be told sorry we have reached Are quota for the year you cannot have the job sorry, now off you go back home, thank you, is that how it would have worked ?

No idea user I’ve never got my knickers in a twist over immigration. Uk has far more pressing issues.

There's going to have to be something between a soft and a hard Irish border. The GFA doesn't trump the UK's right to withdraw from a trading block that has run wildly amuck.
I do realise you Remainers have bet the farm on the Irish border.

There is no in between. That's like being 'a little bit pregnant'. Any physical infrastructure represents a breach. This is exactly the problem. I am from the border, my family home actually cuts across it. Why should I not place all my weight behind this argument? You are refusing to acknowledge the basic truth of my fears.

The GFA must in fact trump the UK's right to leave. It should have been sorted first. This was reckless and negligent. No one was dying in the crazy trading block you describe. How and why should your political ideology trump mine - which came first and had a much, much bigger majority?